I was not surprised to see the Daily Record’s main guy James Traynor going into bat against Craig Whyte last night on Newsnight Scotland.
It suits the current narrative that it was all the fault of the Motherwell billionaire.
Of course the wealth off the radar billing came from the Daily Record, but let’s not dwell on that.
What is interesting today is that the paper of record in Scotland (ahem) drops in a little truth about the legal and structural realities of what liquidation actually means for the Ibrox outfit.
At the end of Traynor’s piece he stated the following:
“He also added: ‘What other country in the world would deal with one of their biggest clubs in the way they have and demote them to the Third Division.’
“Wrong again, Craig. Rangers had to go there because they were a new club starting over.”
Yesterday it was the BBC and now today it is the Daily Record’s very own succulent lamb correspondent.
What is happening is that elements of the mainstream media are breaking ranks with the official fiction that Rangers didn’t die.
They did die and FIFA and UEFA would confirm the truth that Sevco are a new club.
This should all be very straightforward and easy to comprehend.
However, when one is dealing with an evidence resistant subculture it is anything but.
droid
ps No Poppy,Ya Dancer, did anyone else have the good fortune to back this winner and NOT get racially abused, is this a new chord to the LondonDerry AIR?
October 26, 2012 at 1:08 am
droid
In Downfall there is a graphic descriptor of the club previously understood to have courted and harboured the three disgraces, having certain members “roasted” under cross examination by HMRC during the FTT(T).
Does anyone know whether their retorts or rather whimpers resembled the piffle and waffle below?
Remember Folks, Christmas is coming but thrice a year.
Peace, goodwill and fair application of the rules
October 26, 2012 at 1:03 am
tamtic
Cooperman, the Irish tricolour flying over ibrokes!!!. I’m away to change my pants, just wet myself.
October 25, 2012 at 7:42 pm
hang 'em high
Blooper 49, heri, hodie, et semper
October 25, 2012 at 1:06 pm
PaulMc
How many teams in the UK had players from the Republic of Ireland?
October 25, 2012 at 1:21 am
hang 'em high
cooper 50 something you are a pest
October 24, 2012 at 5:53 pm
tamtic
Coops, leave the keyboard alone, Phil’s done you up like a kipper. Sevco have the chance to right some terrible wrongs but I for one ain’t holding my breath. The big hoose may stay open but those who use it have minds firmly closed.
October 24, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Cooper54
So if the old club are dead why would the so called new club make a statement on this make believe issue . Do you honestly think Super Ally would discriminate in his signing policy ? Be serious please .
October 23, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
When Sevco have at least one RoI player in their FIRST TEAM who can be fully culturally Irish and it is no big deal with the paying public then and only then will Ibrox as a culture dish for anti-Irish racism be neutralised.
October 23, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Cooper54
There is no anti Irish signing policy at Ibrox .Just as there is no anti Uruguayan policy either and you know it .
October 23, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
RFC (1872-2012) and their apparent inability to have an RoI player (unique in british senior football)was the subject of correspondence between an Irish MEP, Platini and the SFA in the summer of 2009.
After that RFC appointed an Irish (FAI registered) scout for the first time.
Alan Smith (youth ‘keeper) was signed shortly afterwards.
At that point 5th choice keeper at RFC-little chance of the 1st team.
Once more EVERY OTHER senior club in Britain had in the previous twenty years had a full or U21 RoI international in their FIRST TEAM.
RFC fans sing a song that has been ruled by the highest court in Scotland as racist and anti-Irish.
No connection?
I hope some Sevco first team player will soon stand under the Irish tricolour and belt out Amhrann na bhFiann.
the old club is dead-let’s see Sevco make a better start in life.
That will be progress…
October 23, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Cooper54
Rangers tried to sign RoI player Ray Houghton , he turned them down ! Would you really want a fellow Irishman to sign for us ,really ? I recall a Danish player getting abused at Landsdowne because the Irish support thought he was Rangers player Lovenkrands …the PA guy got the players mixed up at a substituion and the irish fans didnt know any different .Poor danish guy couldnt work out why he was getting pelters !
October 23, 2012 at 12:55 pm
tamtic
Ah coops, those words, let bygones be bygones, that’s rich coming from someone who mentions the Pope and the nazis in the same sentence. However, knowing that Benedict is never far from your mind I’d like to ask you a question, when the “peepul” were giving it f*** the Pope and then claiming they weren’t anti catholic, how come we never heard f*** Allah or any of the other religious leaders?
October 23, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Cooper54
Tamtic ..when will you let bygones be bygones as far as Rangers signing policy is concerned ..weve signed plenty since Mo , had a catholic captain and manager too ! What more do you want ? For us to sign the pope as our manager ? Then we really would be the nazi huns u label us ….haha
October 23, 2012 at 6:53 am
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Republic of Ireland players in the first team…
Sevco could make a statement that they have no issue with having RoI players in the 1st team
October 23, 2012 at 11:34 am
tamtic
Cooperman- So 72 years of anti catholic policy by your club is dismissed in a few sentences and one word of condemnation, “disgraceful” You just don’t get it do you? what right had your club to look down on anyone because of their creed? Can’t you see the problem? The sense of triumphalism embodied in that attitude and encouraged by your club led directly to the “peepul” rampaging through various parts of England and the Continent. Oh there’s something else, I don’t recall many “peepul” crying out for a catholic to be signed when you were lording it over everyone else with the full compliance of the SFA who allowed it to go on. No your club and everything it stands for is disgusting
October 22, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Cooper54
Neil , i would hop into my time machine and boost back to 1982 and 1941 to record the Tic supports Argie and pro Nazi chants but i seem to have ran dry of plutonium…you got Marty McFlys number by any chance ?
October 22, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Ben mcginlay
Trying to use humour to evade the question, good one Cooperman. Still intent on cherry picking isolated incidents in Celtics 125 year history(whether true or not, proof could be online or newspaper clippings from the said incidents). Try as you may, you still cannot drag Celtic or their fans into the quagmire of Oldco’s colourful past. There is no comparison. Seville, 80 thousand fans, not a bit of trouble. Manchester, the last count was, ahem, 300 thousand fans, policemen being attacked, locals attacked and riotous behaviour from a not so minority..Every club in the world has at some point had incidents or an incident that they are not too proud of. But the level and consistency of your old club leaves us in your wake.
October 22, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Cooper54
Neil…yes i believe it was , and it should have been shut down again for the “Argentina” chants too . With the blatant anti British feeling of a malignant minority at CP why is it so hard to believe ?
October 22, 2012 at 6:33 am
Dal
Coop
What exactly is wrong with protesting against Britain’s brutality, imperialism and war crimes? The Falklands (Malvines) belongs to Argentina, much in the same way Arran belongs to Scotland.
Maybe it’s time for John Bull et al to get out of other peoples countries. Start dealing with their own bankrupt economy…and make friends abroad.
Get off your jingoistic soapbox. Stop grovelling to Whitehall etc.
October 22, 2012 at 11:16 am
Neil
Cooper48,
sorry |”yes I believe it was” aint good enough, show me the facts please.
October 22, 2012 at 11:32 am
mark wallace
for a supposedly dead club you lot do quite a bit of talking about it, sevco/newco/oldco/rangers a lot on here spend a lot of time typing about them, suppose its all because you dont want the zombie (so called) club to become the main focus for all scottish football. bless
October 21, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Ben mcginlay
This is painful. Another Sevconian looking for the truth. The reason we are talking about it is because what your dead club did has made a laughing stock of Scottish football. Aided and abetted by the Governing bodies and the MSM. All we want is due process to deal with crimes past and present. Which so far has been a non event.
October 21, 2012 at 11:58 pm
PaulMc
HE SHOOTS HE MISSES!!!
We want to see that justice is done and no underhand deals take place.
We also want to remind you that The Rangers ARE a new club as you seem to have trouble remembering.
October 22, 2012 at 8:56 am
Cooper54
Tamtic…..Rangers signing policy was anti-Catholic and disgraceful from 1912-1989 . The only team it harmed was Rangers and it seems some people are more upset about it now than they where when the policy was actually in place .
October 21, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Cooper54
49,650 at Castle Greyskull yesterday , no too shabby for a new club bhoys . And wasnt Castle Greyskull a good guys pad ?..you really should do your homework on such important matters ! Neil ,I read Celtic Park was closed in a book by Bill Murray ! Older relations confirmed there was a lunatic element in Celtics support back then , just like Celtics fans who chanted “Argentina Argentina” when Britain where at war in The Falklands . You surely cannot deny theres some anti British feeling at Celtic Park with “no bloo stained poppies in our hoops!” protests and the like ?
October 21, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Neil
closed for what exactly????? you never mentioned the Nazi thing like before, where they or were they not closed because of the Nazi chants
October 21, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Ben mcginlay
Still talking ‘Planet Fitba’. zombie boy !!!!!
October 21, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Dal
Cooperman
Once again you’re obsessed by quantity. A lot of bigots in one stadium means nothing. With regards to Zenit, they never had a sectarian policy that lasted over a century.
October 22, 2012 at 1:13 am
Neil
Cooper48,
Sevco are not getting world record crowds for 4th division football, Santa Cruz in Brazil are, LOL. Like to see you beat that with a 50,000 seater stadium ;0)Don’t believe what you read in the Retard.
Fourth-tier game attracts 60,000 spectators
By Christopher Atkins 2011-10-17 10:28:00
Santa Cruz and their loyal support return to the heights of Serie C next campaign – Futura Press
Last night in the Estádio do Arruda in Recife, an attendance of 59,966 was recorded as home-side Santa Cruz booked a return to Série C with a 0-0 with Treze
October 22, 2012 at 7:21 am
weeandybhoy
Cooperman,
I was at Ibrox a few years ago & when the game finished & as we were waiting to leave, there was a rangers supporter in the main stand who stood for at least 10 minutes doing a nazi salute. No-one in the main stand did anything or said anything to the guy concerned (supporters, stewards or polis)
I can tell the difference between a nazi salute & a red hand of ulster ‘salute’. This was without doubt, the former.
You cannot deny that there is an element of the oldco/newco support that openly support this behaviour. I’ve witnessed this myself for years.
You mention certain songs getting banned at Ibrox & yet after rangers went into administration at the first home game against kilmarnock, a full stadium belted out the banned songs in a show of “defiance”. When questioned about this after, the reply from within Ibrox was that feelings were running high. It got to the point that other people were almost expected to feel sorry for rangers & that singing these songs in this instance was acceptable.
In 2012………WHY??
October 21, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Cooper54
Ian Ferguson ….my first comment related to Traynors view on Rangers being a new club . After that ive been defending accusations of being pro nazi for which i was labelled a bigot .The mind boggles .Good point on Charles Greens consortium though , time will tell .
October 20, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Cooper54
Ben McGinley ….i wouldnt dare be silly enough to call someone a bigot for merely defending accusations of pro-nazism , have a word with yourself .
October 20, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Ben mcginlay
I am a realist and my mind is clear. You should have a word with a professional who can maybe, just maybe help you to realise that what you are going through is grief that is being manifested by writing pish. Picture the scene for a moment Cooperman. Just for talking sake you were a man and you ended up in a child’s body. Then one day you were at nursery,You were trying to explain to another child of the contents of your nappy. The other child is really confused because he knows your are talking shite. Like myself, I know too… Lol. You have a word quickly, talk football, fine. Don’t talk football, keep your wind up comments to yourself…..
October 21, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Dal
Cooperman54
Nobody is disputing what happened to Mark Walters. It was the actions of a few, and unanimously condemned by Celts everywhere. Much more disturbing was the racist abuse given to Paul Wilson, from the Ibrox hordes. Hate chants were directed at the guy constantly during Old Firm encounters. Tens of thousands joined in unrelentingly.
October 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Cooper54
Celtic fans where responsible for the biggest display of racism at a football match that this wee country has ever witnessed .The trackside in front of the “jungle” was awash with bananas that day and you would have to be bananas to deny it .I personally believe Zenit to be the most racist club in the world , but it didnt stop you cheering them on a few years ago bhoys
October 20, 2012 at 11:28 am
Ben mcginlay
Still talking about ‘planet Fitba’ ya cretin. Who’s the dullard now. Your spelling and punctuation are a disgrace….lol. Run along Zombie boy. I see the newest club in Scotland are at home to the oldest club today.Now that’s funny…lol
October 20, 2012 at 3:27 pm
PaulMc
The Mark Walters situation, yes? It was a bloody disgrace that day, and Celtic have worked long and hard to get that element out of the support.
I have seen no similar effort, besides lip service, across the city when it came to the vile chanting at Ibrox.
October 20, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Ian ferguson
There is Trolling & there is “Good” Trolling.
Good Trolling puts a twist on a subject & attracts responses because the people discussing the subject think they know what the Troller is alluding to, they answer & the Troller takes them off track….
Then there Muppets like YOU, as subtle as a sledgehammer & not even on subject.
But I LOVE watching idiots display their Pain at the RFC demise while trying to convince the world They ARE the people, while floundering about in a sea of whataboutery.
Thats’s YOU.
Back to the subject in hand, does Craigy Bhoy own the lot?
Does Charley Green need muppets like you to pay up, sharpish, before it all goes t*ts up?
Better still answer a question on the subject, will you be a wee blue sheep & buy shares?
remember the “FOOL YOU” question I asked? it would be good to know what the investment is.
WHO owns IBROX & MURRAY PARK? Are the shares going to be in the new “Holding Company”?…. Of course they must be, according to baa baa Blue Sheep dogma, the “HOLDING COMPANY” went bust, BUT… Rangers are forever.
So, in REAL TERMS, it’s £500 quid minimum, for a share in SEVCO, Also known as… THE Rangers, a company a few MONTHS old?
I don’t believe in SANTA, but Charley does… SANTA aka ex RFC supporters in pain, desperate to believe that SEVCO has a HISTORY, that will be £500. CHING,CHING.. NEXT.
October 20, 2012 at 10:44 pm
jimthetim
Surely the biggest would be the belting out of The Famine Song at Ibroke before it was banned. Remember Cooper, racism does not only involves peoples colour.
No place for Sectarianism, racism or bigotry. Your dead club and your new club were/are by far the biggest exponents of this treatment worldwide. So don’t kid yourself.
October 21, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Neil
We are all still awaiting this evidence that Celtic Park was shut down during the war because of Nazi salute.
Another Sevco moonbeam
October 21, 2012 at 2:39 pm
gazthechef
Cooper 1690.i pity you.if I was crawling onto Vanguard Bears or follow follow every night telling lies and talking rot I’d want to go and have a word with myself.you do not come here to talk fitba.you come here to insult the intelligence of every Celtic Fan on here.Celtic fans singing Nazi songs during WW2??I didn’t realize you could get internet acces in Carstairs!!!!
October 20, 2012 at 9:41 am
Cooper54
On the contrary Ben , i come on here to talk “planet fitba” , it is you and your com rades who always seem to bring religion/sectarianism or politics up ….if you think someone a bigot for denying they do so called “Nazi salutes” then your off yer rocker ! My Grandfather and his brothers fought the nazis in WW2 , I will not tolerate anyone accusing Rangers fans of nazi salutes ! Songs like TBB ,TFS and No Pope of Rome have been quite rightly banned and Ibrox is a more family friendly atmosphere these days , especially as we dont have to listen to the IRA choir bhoys for a while.Try to have nice weekend now , but if you cant get through it without accusing someone of bigotry least have some evidence dullard .
October 20, 2012 at 8:41 am
Neil
big mouth 48
you still have not proved that Celtic was shut down during the war because of Nazi salutes.
Show us you evidence
October 20, 2012 at 11:24 am
Ben mcginlay
Your full of it pal. You are the worst kind of bigot. You are the one who has been accusing Celtic fans on nearly every post, without any evidence. I agree there are decent Sevco fans out there. But you are definitely not one of them. Oh aye stereotypical Klan trait, getting personal. The only fitba you talk about is that you keep insisting its the same Rankurs when the evidence is as plain as the blue nose on your face. No matter how much you repeat and shout from the rooftops I will still not agree with you.. And on the ‘dullard’. That does not pertain to me Cooperman. Far from it. I think you are more to be pitied. But then again. Jog on Zombie boy.
October 20, 2012 at 11:26 am
Ian ferguson
Cooper54.
“I come on here to discuss Planet fitba” says you then you TROLL away.
I have not read a bigger load of denial, deflection & Whataboutery in a while.
The only bit of mince you missed out was that Celtic put on their non existant Floodlights to guide the German Bombers.
The discussion was about Traynor’s attitude towards Whyte & how he is now willing to examine his role in the death of RFC, while still ignoring Murray’s part in their demise.
It was also noted that he does not seem willing to discuss the “off the wall ” rants & claims of Green concerning his Phoenix Company & the level of investment & worldwide support he claims to have.
This is a Deja Vu moment, like the Minty MOONBEAMS & Whyte’s WEALTH off the Radar claims, the current load of rubbish is spoon fed to a compliant receptive audience of ex RFC supporters now following the Phoenix.
Green has incited the mob & has garnered support for his plans. Will they succeed?
There is an idiom which says Fool me ONCE, Shame on YOU. Fool me TWICE, Shame on ME.
The ex RFC fans are playinfg the “Fool Me Game” for a THIRD time & it looks like Green may well manage to pull it off.
October 20, 2012 at 12:01 pm
tamtic
Aye cooperman, your grandfather and his brothers fought the Nazis in WW2. Here’s a wee fact for you, providing that nazi was a protestant your club would have played him in their team, but my old man was a catholic who served in WW2 and he couldn’t have played for your lot, simply because he WAS a catholic
October 20, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Lenny Bhoy
Marching to the Orange Trees Of Seville Cooper54?………… That’s a hell of a distance to walk.
October 20, 2012 at 3:04 am
Cooper54
Frankier ….no need to bring religion/sectarianism into things , and adding 1690 to my name is pathetic , it says more about you than me as ive never been to an Orange march in my life .
October 19, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Cooper54
Bigotry from me ? Heavens above , thank god my Celtic pals and family are nothing like you Ben …you are away with it bhoy !
October 19, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Ben mcginlay
Profess your innocence all you want. Guilty as charged so call Cooperman. I don’t need back up to vindicate me but I think most people on here would agree with. IMO you and masonwalker could have been separated at birth lol
October 19, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Ben mcginlay
Cooperman, your posts are starting to resemble a man clinging on to the past. All your comments have been stereotypical Klan. Your bigotry and way off the mark statements are so sad. I think there is no hope for you. You are the equivalent of a dinosaur. You and your types days are numbered. Your hatred has been highlighted through the cheating and mismanagement of your OLD club. I would like to say it has been a pleasure competing, but alas no. We are different from you in attitude, socially and respect shown to others. So one side isn’t as bad as the other, we only react to shit thrown at us.
October 19, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Cooper54
Dal…lay off the glue ! Rangers aint ever been racist , but Celtic have …ask Mark Walters !
October 19, 2012 at 4:57 pm
PaulMc
RFC were never racist? Why did the BNP recruit outside Ibrox? Why are the SDL and the EDL also linked with “supporters” of RFC and The Rangers?
Don’t even attempt to deny it. I have the evidence.
October 20, 2012 at 1:36 am
Lorenso Amoruso
Victor Ikepba surely?
October 20, 2012 at 6:43 am
Bill Leckie
Who called Pierre van Hooijdonk a black b…….?
Look in The Scottish Sun to find out!
October 21, 2012 at 5:48 am
Cooper54
Once again religion being brought into the matter …tut tut . Celtic Park was closed for a month during WW2 due to Celtic fans behaviour at an OF game at Ibrox , ie…bottle showers and pro Nazi chants .This was when the Allied Forces where fighting the Nazis and the Celtic fans beloved IRA where collaberating with them …so you can take your “Nazi Salutes at Ibrox” and stick them !
October 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm
PaulMc
PROVE IT!
October 20, 2012 at 1:33 am
Dal
Cooper54
If you wish to be in denial about the most racist club in the world…it’s your problem
October 19, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Frankier
Cooper1690 – Do you know that if the Catholic/protestant (small p intended) ratio in Scotland was reversed that Celtic could fill a stadium with 360,000 fans every week, and that is without handing out free tickets and charging the highest fees. Yet you boast about a pathetic dribble coming to your hellish dump every fortnight. Mind you, it won’t last too much longer: once the ennuitis slips in it will speread like wildfire. The best part is that Celtic supporters are immune to the affliction.
October 19, 2012 at 1:41 pm
The Wallace
To Cooper54
You remind me of a wee West Highland Terrier one of my relatives had. Always whining and yelping because he wanted noticed. You don’t shag slippers do you?
October 19, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Frankier
Cooper1690 – No, Celtic Park wasn’t closed down during WW2 because of Nazi chants. You prove otherwise if you wish. They (the masonic, anti-Catholic/Irish ratbags in the SFA) tried to close it down after the war because it was flying the flag of a nation who supplied electricity to the North of Ireland at great danger to themselves during the war. Celtic may have been short of players during the war, owing to most of the team away fighting at the front line, whilst your “brave” and “loyal” lot were in reserved occupations to avoid having to fight for their beloved (lol) country, but the place was never closed down. Tell a lie often enough and it will be believed, especially when your intended audience are barely recognisable as human beings. Once again, “u^” off!
October 19, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Brendan
Cooper, go crawl back to FOLLOW FOLLOW or RANGERSMEDIA where the rest of your fellow CRETIN Sevco Fans dwell in in a world of hurt and constant denial of the real truth.. You and Yours have lived in what can only ever be described as a horrible Football Club (thankfully now deceased) that did sponsor the most vile brand of bigotry,, if you and your Cronies do decide to follow the New Club (Sevco) then this is a real chance for YOUS to finally be part of a dignified Club..
October 19, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Buddy Morrisey
Cooper54
You can make your little well tiny jokes. Please don’t resort to peddling obscene lies.
October 19, 2012 at 11:54 am
robert gillan
For the person spouting on about the Nationalist Socialist Party and Celtic Park, have a wee look at you’re own history. Guess which club is the only one in Britain to have had the Haukencrauze flying above their stadium ?
October 19, 2012 at 11:36 am
gav
Bizzarely, it also flew over spurs white hart lane for an england- germany int friendly. Even more bizzarely england players gave nazi salutes in a return friendly a couple of years later. Maybe thats why oldco had such an affinity with england???? There was widespread demonstration over the white hart lane episode. I couldnt find any evidence of the same around edmiston drive.
October 20, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Robert Gillan
Gav,the swastika was flown over Ibrox during an international between Scotland and Germany. The date was 14 October 1936. I also find it rather bizarre that this flag would be flown inside White Hart Lane,given their is a strong Jewish association with Tottenham Hotspur.
October 22, 2012 at 10:10 am
Ian Carolan
Traynor’s final few words should have been a Screaming Headline but they weren’t.Laying the blame fully at Whyte’s door is pathethic.The Succulent Lamb is still too good for Traynor to turn and tell the truth about Murray.This new zombie club should never have been allowed to start in Division 3.Three years of audited accounts was the minimum requirement.I would say they should all hand their heads in shame but I believe this would be too much to ask.Regan,Ogilvie.Doncaster?How are they still holding the positions they are in?Does anybody care about Scottish football?
October 19, 2012 at 10:45 am
Cooper54
Dal….dear oh dear , Nazi salutes at Ibrox …..you really are scraping the barrel there . I think they might be “Red Hand of Ulster” hands you where seeing . Wasnt Celtic Park closed down during WW2 for pro-Nazi chants and banners though ?
October 19, 2012 at 9:53 am
PaulMc
Red Hand of Ulster? If The Rangers survive long enough to ever qualify for Europe and they draw an Israeli team, will they still indulge in their wee salutes?
October 19, 2012 at 7:47 pm
jjbhoy
dear phil,was watching a very interesting film online about how the twin towers and building number 7 were all controlled explosions and how a raft of architechts all of note and good social standing were amazed that in the”official”report submitted that they had not tested for any trace of explosive substances and all of the people of note stated this was an obvious and glaring denial of looking for the truth,anyway,psychologists said that a lot of americans do not want to believe the truth as it would dissolve all they believed and was put into perspective by the psychologists as follows;when we hear information that contradicts our world view it is known as cognitive dissonance,sound familiar?
October 19, 2012 at 3:41 am
lordmac
It looks like we can make all the snowballs we like, but if we have no one to fire them. as there as, and will be, none so blind that can not see.
October 19, 2012 at 12:16 am
Martybhoy
Time for Barcabhoy and RTC to stop the foreplay and push the nuclear button.NOW!!!!
There is a very short time window at the minute to do this to maximum effect.
Otherwise I think the passage of time will aid and abet the main spinners and spivs to walk away (Scot) free.
October 19, 2012 at 12:08 am
John Surgeon
Other fictions that have passed for fact:
‘Too big to fail’
‘Social unrest’ (i.e. ex-paramilitary intervention/thuggery)
‘Scottish football will fail’
‘Crowds will plummet’
‘Sponsors will disappear’
‘Scotland needs corruption, crooks and sectarianism’
October 19, 2012 at 12:03 am
WeeLubo
He also picked apart Craigy Craigy whytes statement peice by peice, shame he never done that the first time Craigy was on the scene, also don’t recall him doing it with any of Charles greens, or even David murrays for that matter! Wonder why? Maybe because he’s trying to make whyte as the baddy and the other two are heroes.
October 18, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Dal
Cooper54
You appear to have an obsession about quantity. More isn’t always better. When you have fans behaving like their brethren in Alabama, there is no substance.
In the case of Dark Ibrox, more is worse. More nazi salutes, more sectarian chanting and much more xenophobia.
October 18, 2012 at 11:02 pm
John
I’ve followed the entire case from the begining and i’ve certainly been an interested user of your blog, Phil. After watching Craig Whyte’s latest interview with the BBC, I can’t help wondering that, if your were of a mind, your next book project might be in collaboration with the Whyte man himself. Now, we’re all well aware of his dodgy practices and his willingness to be economical with the truth, but what came across to me was that he is pissed off with various other parties lumping all of the blame onto him for the death of Rangers 1872. I’m positive lots of people would want to hear some views from the inside and i’m sure his speaking out will provoke others to come out in defence of themselves. Just an idea, Phil…
October 18, 2012 at 10:33 pm
JB67
HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK CRAIGIE POCKETED AND DID HE PAY TAX ON IT
October 18, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Buffythecat
I find all this childish nonsense about whether the MSM or TV or Radio will or will not admit that sevco is a new club or not a new club a bit pathetic. The sevco supporters have something to laugh at at last by the childish rants of people who should know better. The establishment and all its corrupt pillars of society will never admit to their own failings. We just need to look at the way the banking system collapsed to see that the ‘show must go on’ regardless. Don’t ever question the system. The establishment’s sporting poodle is rangers. They died and Mr Green bought the body parts. They are a zombie outfit . . .end of. If they want to worship zombie F.C that’s for them to wallow in it’s not for other supporters to get in a froth about. Read Phil’s book ‘Downfall’ and you will be left in no doubt that what we have in Division Three are Zombies with a dead clubs clothes on. Now move along there!
October 18, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Sammy
Cooper 54 even tho its not important!! And the fact your lot give away free tickets?? Wen has your attendance been more than ours?? Are we talkin 1 game or all games played?? We’ve sold more season tickets than Charlie’s sevco!! Have 10000 more capacity than Ibrokes, allocate more for away fans! And prob more important made more money!! Let me simplify for you it’s like primark phonin harrods and sayin we’re busier than yous haha
October 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Lenny Bhoy
Cooper54 ….. is it really Tommy Cooper? You’re pathetic drivel is pure comical – just like that!
October 18, 2012 at 7:47 pm
tamtic
Had to laugh when I read Chico “bought the assets and the history of oldco” How the hell can you buy history? America is a comparatively new country, can you imagine Obama sidling up to Cameron and asking “any chance we could buy the Battle of Hastings off you” I know that’s ludicrous, but hey, Chico did it
October 18, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Andy
Are there any prizes in Scotland for attendances ????
October 18, 2012 at 7:19 pm
jomac
Cooper 49.
What I find strange is the tribute act attracts a bigger audience than the original act.
It won’t last though as it’s became a novelty act as it lurches towards It’s last act.:-))
October 18, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Cooper54
When Celtic where in the doldrums in 1994 all you lot where walking out at half time if you bothered to go at all …now your flying high at the top of the SPL and theres a “new club” getting bigger gates …isnt that strange ? lol
October 18, 2012 at 5:06 pm
SamBrowneBelt
Blooper, are you obsessed with this site? Is it because it’s one of the few places you can read the truth? Keep coming back though, the more the merrier! And your comments can be amusing.
October 18, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Greenstrawman
so you admit it is new club, might be the novelty factor or dirt cheap tickets that have had them rolling in !!! Me thinks it is but a passing fad… how long until the new club (no “” required) competes at a reasonable level…many, many years…let’s see how the crowds go with the new boys as it drags out. I am STILL loving this…it just keeps on giving
October 18, 2012 at 7:13 pm
PaulMc
Celtic fans actively protested for change against the old board. The club would have went to the wall under their “stewardship”. Rangers fans sat idly by, hoping for a glorious leader to come and save them, and blaming all and sundry in Scotland and beyond for their plight, besides those really at fault.
As to crowds, are you also telling us that you sit every week and compare the attendances at various grounds in Scotland? If you see one more person in the figures from Ibrox (where, let’s not forget, prices of season tickets have been slashed) you can still indulge in your fantasy that you are the greatest, top dogs, and still the peepel! Anoraks all round for you guys, eh?
The Rangers – KINGS OF NUMBERCRUNCHING!!!
October 18, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Ben mcginlay
You are hilarious Cooperman.
October 18, 2012 at 9:16 pm
jimCB
Scotbear, well said if I was a fan of Rangers I would think or I would WANT to think the same way. However what Phil and our gang have been banging on about is that the saga is far from over and given the fact that most of the comments from the blue corner were in denial and patently fed by the scottish press when are you going to start asking the real questions?
The fact that most of us are Celtic minded is a side issue. We were saved by Fergus and he collected his money and moved on. Despite taking absolute pelters from the same journalists that are now lauding mr Green.And duped by mr Whyte.Remember ‘One of these is a obsessed Tyrant and the other is Saddam Hussein’We know when they want to the scots tabloids can be very nasty. So why do you think the new ‘wave’ at Ibrox is getting the kid gloves treatment? Maybe we’re paranoid we’ve had years of practise. Maybe youre lot are not paranoid enough ?
October 18, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Thomas
If they are still the same club , then they wouldn’t have been liquidated.
They would still be in the SPL and played Champions League Qualifiers.
As it happens they were liquidated , they ain’t in the SPL and they never played in Europe.
They have no accounts and are not allowed European football for that reason.
All because ………….they are a new club.
October 18, 2012 at 4:34 pm
jomac
Cooper 49
The half price season books and the free tickets might explain;-)
October 18, 2012 at 4:18 pm
James A Barr
Scotbear
I am a Celtic fan who tends to agree with your point. Neil obviously didn`t notice the !”noticeable” part of your post!
The difference in the quality of player in your team is an obvious difference as, indeed, is that of your opponents. Likewise, the grounds and crowds at away games. Overall, though, I think for most Rangers fans, the experience remains the same.
I believe what annoys many people and distorts their view is that there is a very good case to be made for one VERY noticeable difference ie No team whatsoever playing at Ibrox with any connection at all to the former Rangers. You seem like a decent guy and , were it not for your Club`s sectarian policy for so many years, I would have sympathy for your team disappearing. As it is, if you are a decent guy, you might be given the opportunity to support another team soon.
October 18, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Neil
lots of folk believe the moon is made of cheese, its not noticible to me, but they still believe it is
October 19, 2012 at 6:50 am
lordmac
at the end of the day the scenario is this the investors gave say 6 million up front they knew the assets where say 80 million they would like to sell the lot, but green cant as the fans wouldn’t let him, now the investors have then agreed say in a one year deal they get double money and say 10 %shares, and as that time is fast approaching as they say they where involved around february time so it come now pay day is due and Green aint got the funds as yet so the share issue has to pay them of, a bit like tickitus all over or Lloyd’s if you like.
October 18, 2012 at 2:44 pm
John F
Has Lord Hodge signed off on Duff & Phelps administration?
October 18, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Cooper54
Imagine a “new club” in Scotland playing in the lowest division , and getting higher attendances than your 125 year old club …you lot of part timers should be ashamed…lol
October 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Ben mcginlay
Cooperman returns to write his usual stuff, all aimed at winding people up, with his normal childish lol a the end of it..nothing constructive, still in denial. You are basically a relic from an ancient era when you thought you could say or do what you want. Now you have nothing to say but PISH…LOL
October 18, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Been there...
Two points for cooper54.
1. Your tickets are hugely discounted, that’s why the crowds are up. People can actually afford to go (memo to the rest of Scottish football – reduce your prices…).
2. Charlie mentioned the secret code which, like something in a zombie film, awoke the infected masses. Like programmed zombies they stumbled towards Govan in their masses. The code word of course was bigotry and the man controlled the hoards as if by remote control. Almost Hitleresque in the way he mobilised a people by telling them what they wanted to hear. One for the brain docs to analyse when this has all died down…
October 19, 2012 at 10:45 am
Mark
You’ll never get the MSM in Scotland to admit Rangers are no more. They will just repeat the nonsense Chuck Green is continually trying to peddle about “5 way deals”, “Holding companies” and “Would you get 40,000 supporter to go and see a new team!”.
We all know they’re gone, they know it and Rangers fans know it too! They will just never admit it!
UEFA and FIFA see them as a new club, but they will never publicly admit this either because they don’t want to get involved in anything at that level.
This suits Chuck Green and the Scottish MSM because they know they can peddle their rubbish and, if they repeat it enough, even Rangers fans may start to believe it!
October 18, 2012 at 1:58 pm
john mckee
Can anyone tell me why the administrators were in talks with Green as early as February when they were still supposedly dealing with two or three other potential buyers.
As I recall at that time there was no mention of the Green consortium.
Question were these negotiations going on behind the backs of other bidders?
October 18, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Marc
Phil
You have mentioned numerous times on here that Uefa/Fifa will confirm that The Rangers /Sevco are a new football club.
When will this happen. This is what is needed to finally put all this to bed the media lackeys and the newly formed The Rangers Football Clubs fans.
Do you know if they ever will make an official announcement and force the SFA et all to recognise that this club has no history. Thats what I am waiting for !
October 18, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Ben mcginlay
Me too mate, I’m totally dumbfounded by the whole thing and why the European and even World governing bodies have not got involved and made I clear beyond any doubt. The MSM are totally and utterly inept and biased. Of that there is no question.
October 18, 2012 at 4:57 pm
jimCB
Reading a book just now called ‘Thinking fast and slow’ by Daniel Kahneman which is about how we think and how easy it is to build up illusions that substitute for the truth and cause us to make flawed decisions. He has a phrase ‘What you see is all there is’which means don’t dig, don’t think, everything will be fine as before. And especially relevant – I laughed when I read this after watching Mr Whyte’s interview – They didnt want information that might spoil their story ! If you keep repeating a lie it doesnt become the truth.However we have certain periods in history where the media/ propaganda was and IS used to manipulate how we think. This is maybe even a bigger story than the football club going under. If you want to find out whats going on at sevco read the tabloids and think the opposite!!
October 18, 2012 at 1:42 pm
patches o'hoolahan
Phil,
as the waters around sevco become murkier and muckier, there truly was some brass to be found last night with the neck of charles green on show, “valued at 80+ million less than two weeks ago”, well im sure that will offer some comfort to the businesses and traders trying to account for the income lost for services rendered to Rangers Football Club 1873?? A true yorkshire man right enough. However let me praise his business acumen, 80million for 5 million 1/160th of estimated worth – even fergus wouldve been proud, however I feel there may be a “Whyte Elephant” tag on chuckys procurement. I feel for the fans who invested thezir money in false circumstances while PAYE wasnt being paid, if it happened at Kerrydale Street I’m sure many would feel aggrieved so imagine walking a mile in their shoes!
October 18, 2012 at 1:34 pm
symptomless
They’ve established a narrative in their fans minds that its the same club, this got the attendances up.
Now they’re establishing that its a different club because the FTTT may be close, this will avoid having any liability.
October 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Scotbear
I came across your site after getting sent a link from a Celtic supporting friend. From reading some of the posts and also the responses, what I have come to the conclusion is I am in the minority of not just the Rangers fans, but Celtic fans too.
What I mean is I really don’t care whether we are a new club or a continuation of an old club. Even if rangers are a new club, as many on here would argue, I honestly have not noticed a difference! I go to Ibrox, I sit with the same fans I always did, I watch a team called Rangers wear the Rangers badge and shirt, managed by Ally and captained by Lee McCulloch. If I go to the trophy room I can see all the trophies and remember all the memories (good and bad) over my last 30 years of attending. I read about new players desperate to play for a team with such a great ‘history’ and with the exception of the grounds I visit and the quality on show, I honestly cannot notice a single difference from seasons past.
I also don’t see what difference Celtic fans notice (or will notice in 3 years time when hopefully we return to play them). I only ask as I am amazed that both sets of fans are so caught up with this ‘not the same Rangers’ nonsense. I won’t argue that legally we are the same, but technicalities aside what has actually changed? Newco/Sevco/Rangers/Rangers2012 – I challenge anyone to list me 5 noticeable differences that you have seen since Green took over?
October 18, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Neil
well you tell is why you are still the Rangers of 1874
1.Your not Rangers
2 New Club called “THE Rangers”
2.You have not got 3 years of audited accounts
3.UEFA believe you no longer exist.
4.FIFA belive you no longer exist
5.Liquidation is now taking place – so you are deed!
6.If your “New” club gets to the SPL in 3 years you would still not get into Europe….your still not Rangers
7. The 140 linage is brocken – irreversibly.
8.Charles Green has yet to name his backers
9.Agent Whtye has put a spanner in the work – good man!
10.Duff and Duffer are liars
and finally Rangers and Ibrox, think of it this way:-
Just because a puppy is born in a box of kippers does not mean it is a kipper
or think of it another way…..
New Club, original stadium, still a new club
October 18, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Neil
and please excuse my spelling, must remember to read over before pressing submit button!!!
October 18, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Ben mcginlay
Neil do you not get sick of correcting these people. Where does this false pride come from. They never mention how their old club cheated and didn’t pay their taxes. Or about the creditors who will never see their monies due….
October 18, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Sea_Warrior
I think they’ve just put that comment at the end of the piece so Traynor can state later on that he was said it was a new club.
Like when he says he criticised Murray!
October 18, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Raymy1
As I said in your previous post Phil, there should be no surprise that Traynor scurried to take a seat at the BBC last night. Someone stirred the glowing embers and the fire lit under the pot again. Looks as though things could be beginning to bubble up nicely again. This is the year when you wish you had invested heavily in smoking mirrors !
The followers of the new Glasgow team will still clutch on to the story that makes them feel better on the day, despite having there own serious misgivings about Chuck. They know they only get one crack at this share issue, and that when the £20m ( if it appears) is gone, so are they.
We can now sit back and enjoy the work of the liquidation team as they pour over the sale of £80m of assets (according to Chuck) for washers !!
Keep up the good work Phil.
October 18, 2012 at 12:49 pm
John
Geoff you are too sensible for this forum because you can actually think for yourself.
As far as I can see Fiorentina who suffered a bankruptcy event in 2001 and were placed in fourth tier are listed by UEFA as being formed in 1926 and with all honours intact.
I’m sure there must be an expanation.
October 18, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Jimmmy J.
They are not breaking ranks. They are aware of the possible phoenix accusations and are muddying the waters in an attempt at avoiding repercussions. They will still push the same club agenda.
October 18, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Alex
I’m discusted with the way the Charles green interview was handeld by stv lastnight. He was not pushed one bit by the reporter when he was given an answer about the valuation of the club in which I could disputed with fact. I fear that the stv broadcasting system has now became part of the succulent lamb bregrade and we have lost one of the best chances we had for real answers and hard facts. It pains me to say but I will be sticking with the BBC and refusing to watch this diluted sorry attempt of news.
October 18, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Pensionerbhoy
Alex
I saw or heard little to make me want to watch BBC on this issue either. Whyte said what he wanted without any probing. The only pressure by Chris McLaughlin was to get him to admit he lied. Yes he is a liar. That is the least of his faults. So let us get to the heart of the matter. Ask him to provide the proof for what he claimed so that it can be laid bare and the issues put to bed quickly and once and for all. The only bed I can currently see is the one ALL of the media are climbing into together with the odd dummy being thrown out as a distraction for the bears seeking out Goldilocks.
H H
October 19, 2012 at 12:12 am
SonOfPatrick
Spot on again Phil. No sooner was the hornet’s nest stirred and along comes Succulent Jim with his ‘smoking gun’ and, true to form, just like some bad guy in the movies, he makes a fatal “new club” gaffe. The bears holding the official line aint gonna like this. Expect some back-pedalling.
October 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm
joe burt
Phil,
Would you be willing to interview Agents Whyte or Green then and only then will the pertinent questions can be asked.The succulent bams as we know will not at any cost ask the questions nor will the fans of the sevco franchise.
October 18, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Henry Clarson
It’s good to see the cracks appearing in the wall of denial which the MSM have tried to build around the truth. Unfortunately for them, when a wall is constructed on rotten foundations it is only a matter of time before it collapses.
October 18, 2012 at 11:59 am
scottsman78
Yip, still no Sevco, The Rangers or Zombie FC on the UEFA website: http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/index.html
As far as UEFA are concerned the only Rangers that exist is a womens team.
October 18, 2012 at 11:57 am
KP
How can a ‘dead club’ still have a UEFA co-efficient?
http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/index.html
October 18, 2012 at 1:27 pm
robertg
In fairness, it isn’t a complete list. I went hunting for Brechin, and they aren’t there either. Boavista is only listed with a women’s team. We wouldn’t wanting to be tarring fine institutions like Brechin and Boavista with the same brush as Sevco (who aren’t there either).
Maybe Chuckles hasn’t paid his fees to UEFA?
October 18, 2012 at 1:57 pm
charliebhoy1888
spot on phil:))
October 18, 2012 at 11:56 am
geoff
Phil – have either UEFA or FIFA confirmed that the club currently called Rangers are an entirely new club or not?
The links that people posted before showing there was no club called ‘Rangers’ were misleading as these links only showed those clubs playing int he top divisions which, by the start of this current season the old/new Rangers were not – and for this reason, they were not listed on UEFA’s pages.
October 18, 2012 at 11:51 am
Neil
Death death death.
All around us death.
Did you see Death?
You bet I did?
Hey Death!
Yes?
Wait your name’s Death?
Yes?
Are you actual Death?
Sure.
What do you mean sure?
I don’t know.
Are you Death?
Yes.
You are?
No.
Are you or aren’t you?
Yesno.
What?
Yesno. It’s right next to Fresno. That’s where I live.
So you’re not Death?
No.
No that’s true, or not that’s false?
I am Death.
And you live in Fresno?
No.
Where do you live then?
Yesno.
That’s not a real place.
Neither am I.
You’re not a real place?
I am not real.
You’re not real?
Yesno.
I’m Sevco!
October 18, 2012 at 11:50 am
Guillermo
The troubling thing about the whole Sevco fiasco is the fact that this new business which by constitution has no record of its last three years of accounts was allowed to enter the Scottish Football League and cash in on the name of a former club which used to play there. This has all been glossed over by the ‘old Rangers’ PR typists in the MSM.
October 18, 2012 at 11:43 am
Big mac
Really. What bit about the club being liquidated (dying) and having to start again is so hard to understand?
You could say that some new people (complete strangers in fact) came along and attempted to resurect them under a different name and you probably would not be wrong. But they did die. That bit is a fact. They could not and did not continue. They ceased to exist. Gone. Only the building was left. A tomb if you like.
October 18, 2012 at 11:42 am
craig hendeson
noticed jim traynor referring to sevco as ” a new club-oh i mean company” the truth is hard to avoid it will eventually come out the sooner the sevconians admit it the easier dealing with their situation will become
October 18, 2012 at 11:41 am
Seanthesheep
Don’t you think they are purposefully now accepting that it’s a new club because they now know that to protect the Sevco franchise they need to sever all ties with Glasgow Rangers FC. They are not Rangers anymore but the fans, media etc will still treat Sevco like they are the establishment club and blatantly deny they aren’t the same club but will never PRINT it or say it in front of TV/Radio etc
October 18, 2012 at 11:40 am
gally
I agree I was taken aback, I had to look at the author twice to make sure it was indeed Mr Traynor. Maybe a big swing? Probably not but I feel questions are at least starting to be asked.
We’ll see where this road takes us…
October 18, 2012 at 11:39 am
william
d.a.b.d.a. SPRINGS TO MIND PHIL,the truth hurts
October 18, 2012 at 11:36 am
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
The anti-Catholic policy throughout most of the 20th century was-in the age before globalsied market in football talent-an effective way of excluding Irish players or those of Irish heritage.
Once the FAI was a FIFA recognised entity (1950) then the RoI player was clearly playing for the tricolour and singing Amhrann na bhFiann then that struck to the core of RFC’s emotional contract with anti-Irish racism.
October 23, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
FAI (1950).
How hard did RFC try since 1950?
October 24, 2012 at 12:27 am
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
That is because RFC fans do not sing anti-Welsh songs and target a Welsh community in Scotland that has suffered social exclusion.
October 24, 2012 at 9:58 am
Ben mcginlay
‘Planet Fitba’. ?
October 24, 2012 at 10:18 am
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
RFC did not have ANY RoI players in their first team.
Yet Walter and Big Eck signed RoI players for Everton and Birmingham City when they left Ibrox.
October 24, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Stu
Cooper,
I sort of agree with Phil.
For a starters, Rangers couldn’t have afforded the decent ROI players anyway, even if they did want to sign them. Perhaps in the middle of the Advocaat years that killed the club, they may have splashed out with the BoS’s money, but he was too busy signing over the hill Dutchmen to consider such a thing.
But more than that, it would have taken some very strong will on both the part of the player and the manager.
Whatever you think of Souness, if anyone was going to do it, it would have been him. However, which player would have obliged?
Perhaps only someone of the mould of Roy Keane or such like would have been strong willed enough to go ahead with it, and frankly, I don’t see anyone like that in the Irish team right now. Plenty of Big I Am’s who aren’t quite as good as they think they are, but no one of any real, unbreakable substance.
Your point about Mcleish and The Cardigan are probably valid – they themselves probably aren’t bigoted, but it just made their lives easier if they didn’t sign ROI players.
October 25, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
How hard did they try.
This feels like a fig leaf…
October 24, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Ben mcginlay
No teams in the UK had a poppy protests ya halfwit. A certain section of the crowd made a protest that I wasn’t comfortable with either. cherry picking again Coops. Oh by the way Ray Houghton did not bottle it, he just didn’t want to sign, ok….’Planet Fitba’… You are becoming telly tiresome, as is your Oldco/ Newco fiasco
October 25, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Ben mcginlay
Read my reply correctly. I said the club never had a protest. It was a section of the support. And if you noted I said I wasn’t comfortable with it. Can’t take he banter Cooperman. You losing your powers..cretin zombie boy.
October 26, 2012 at 6:21 am
Ben mcginlay
You really are a total numb nut. You can’t even read people’s replies correctly. You love your cherry picking zombie boy.
October 26, 2012 at 6:23 am