Although the murder U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other diplomats is an appalling outrage, I can’t profess to be surprised.
This is the first high value target that the jihadists have killed in Libya and it should be a wakeup call about what has been gestating there for the last twelve months.
The attack was reportedly carried out by several hundred armed men.
Their supposed motivation was some perceived slight on the Prophet Mohammed.
However, the fact that the killings took place on the 11th anniversary of 911 is probably a clue as to the real motivation of the attackers.
Stevens is the first US Ambassador to be killed in post since 1979. He was a fluent Arabic speaker and a strong champion of the Libyan revolution.
Indeed he had served as the US envoy to the revolutionaries as they battled to topple Gaddafi.
It isn’t a year ago since I wrote about the long-term dangers of toppling the dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
As the media in this part of the world gushed about the “Arab Spring” I was something of a contrarian.
The uncomfortable truth was that in the war against radical Islam dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi were rather useful. They were secular, had an entirely different agenda to Bin Laden and they maintained secure borders and a vicious secret police.
It is unarguable that the destruction of the Iraqi state was a huge fillip to Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.
Suddenly Bin Laden’s associates had an operational area with safe houses where before they had been hunted by Saddam’s security service.
The Libyan chaos has been facilitated by the two Western powers that did so much to create the Middle East that has been in flames all of my life, Britain and France.
Their greedy scramble for the body parts of the Ottoman Empire created the Middle East that we know today.
Now, of course, it is the USA that has to step in and try and stabilise a region that could have the entire planet on fire.
In the law of unintended consequences toppling Saddam gave the Tehran Mullahs a quiescent client state on their borders rather than a sworn enemy.
Moreover, in Benghazi there are Jihadists who, one day, might welcome Iranian ballistic missiles onto their soil.
Then there will be no need for a British Prime Minister to invent scary stories about 45 minute warnings.
Charlie
Why do people always assume that because they are Muslims they want to bring the world to the brink of nuclear or chemical war? They have kids too, right? People need to stop believing media and government scaremongering and try to understand each other a bit better.
September 24, 2012 at 1:42 pm
yogibhoy
controversial tv , sky channel 200. russia today , infowars .com etc,etc. why d’you think the government shut down press tv ? our media is dancing to the globalist elite’s tune .
C I A should stand for “CAUGHT IN the ACT “. well said zippededooda .
best stick to fitba , phil .
September 17, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Zippididoodaa
Phil, judging by the majority of the posts to this particular blog, I am glad to say that your interpretation of world affairs is in the minority.
We have to look beyond the agendas of the msm and see them for what they are: apologists for the elites who are by their own admission liars, cheats and murderers.
You have written at length about the sports reporters on “planet fitba” and derided them for their subservience towards Rangers but yet you fail to see that the same media outlets are facilitating the path to war with Syria, then Iran and then the war to end all wars which will be against China and Russia (probably at the same time).
Internet bampot
September 17, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Zippididoodaa
Phil, I am saddened by your continued sycophantic praise of all things American. Your comments that the US are now needed to step in to tidy up the mess in Libya are naive in the extreme (they were instrumental in its demise in the first place ffs!).
In an effort to maintain its pre-eminent position on the global stage, the good old US-of-A has been responsible for the vast majority of conflicts around the world for, at least, the last 60 years.
Bin Laden was a CIA operative back in the days of Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and a convenient bogey man to roll-out when the time to implement the “Project for a New American Century” (PNAC) came (google PNAC). This period of world dominance would be achieved via perpetual war against an illusive, non-existent “enemy”.
Follow the money (it goes all the way to the top).
Stick to the ftba Phil.
9/11 was an inside job.
September 16, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Dal
Some valid points raised. The USA hve polluted and devastated too many foreign lands. Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan and Central America, to name a few. In Laos they’re still trying to clear the country of landmines forty years on.
We can only hope that the UK/USA are brought to justice for war crimes in The Hague. Don’t hold your breath.
September 17, 2012 at 3:37 pm
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September 15, 2012 at 2:13 am
John Burns
Phil, I have posted here for quite a while, and usually I am completely ‘in-tune’ with what you write. However we differ on the Scottish independence ‘thing’ and I have posted a few points on this issue with no problem.
However on the recent Libya topic, I see that both my posts are “held for moderation” – this puzzled me – OK, I was possibly posting a differing view to most others – but my points were well made and argued.
I have now checked the site from my daughter’s computer and see that my posts have not been added – does this mean you disagree with me and have chosen not to publish.
I hope not – If it is the case I will be shocked and very disappointed – surely not this site…of all sites????
September 14, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Stu
Dal,
The million or so people who have died in Iraq is not the fault of the USA/Uk (I’m not saying that you are saying this, but it’s an arguement you see trotted out in the media on a fairly regular basis – Galloway is by far and away the worst for it). To claim that it is is in itself Islamophobic – the vast, vast majority of these deaths were muslim on muslim violence, and to point the finger at the US/UK is pretty much saying ‘Yeah, but you know what they’re like, it’s what they do when they aren’t supervised – so it’s our fault for giving them the chance to do it’ as if the middle east is populated by brainless little ants that automatically fight when they encounter ants from a different nest.
Best thing the US could do is invest it’s vast defence budget into alternative fuels research, and therefore we wouldn’t be treated to the sight of the vice president of the USA condemning her own freedom of speech laws for the benefit of governments who dismiss her anyway for being a mere woman.
September 14, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Dal
Stu
Your assertion is wide of the mark. USA/Britain caused great devastation in Iraq with their unrelenting bombardment of civilian areas. Hundreds of thousands were killed by cruise missiles and ‘friendly fire’. Millions have been displaced. What happened in Fallujah constitutes war crims in itself. Because of the allied illegal invasion, Iraq has descended into sectarian violence and instability.
There are still a sufficient number of apologist for BLiar/Bush et al. It comes as no surprise.
September 15, 2012 at 11:37 am
Stu
Dal,
I’m not defending the invasion – in fact, I was one of the hundreds of thousands marching through London prior to the it taking place. However, in regard to deaths, you’re quite simply wrong. Look at the stats regarding deaths in Iraq, and it’s the car bombs and suicide bombers, and supposed punishment killings that have claimed, and still continue to claim, the overwhelming majority of lives.
September 15, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Stu
And I notice you’re still repeating the ‘Because of the allied forces invasion of Iraq….’ mantra that constituted my original point.
September 15, 2012 at 7:12 pm
George Collins
Stu, the suicide bombs are the work of American-backed organisations: a nation divided is a nation controlled.
Car bombs have been proved to have been planted by the CIA and the SAS.
It’s easy: Afghanistan and Iraq, just like Vietnam, saw America “defeated”. But America has its largest-ever military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan, and, most importantly, the oil and gas are still pumpimg.
They lost nothing.
Everything you see, whether it looks like face-saving rhetoric from Obama, or out-and-out bluster from whoever, is just what the CIA calls a limited hangout.
September 17, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Stu
Hi Phil,
I don’t think you’re quite on the button here. There’s not a chance that Iran would give any future nuclear missiles to jihadists in Libya – mainly because they’d be more likely to be used on them than us! These Sunni fundamentalists actually hate the shia more than they hate us, mainly because they see them as masquerading as Muslims! An overly simplified explanation perhaps, but it still holds true.
I think that what is more concerning is that anyone with even a limited understanding of the Middle East would have known how this would turn out, so why do it?
The supposed democratic arguement is hilarious – there is only one country in the area that has ever had what we would recognise as a full, western style democracy, where all it’s citizens could vote freely, and incredibly, that was Iran! Of course, the US and UK stepped in and put an end to that, toppling the government in the early fifties.
The idea that Arab citizens would go out in huge numbers and vote rationally for the candidate that suited their political views was fanciful at best. It was far more likely that they would go out and vote for whoever the local Imam told them to vote for, lest they be cast into hell for voting the wrong way! This may change in the future, after all it took several hundred years for democracy to mature in the west, but given the way that history is being re-written by Islamist governments, I doubt it.
However, it comes back to why do it? The only explanation I can think of is that it shores up the Israeli position as ‘a bulwark against islamofascism’ – create more of a threat against them, and the argument as to why they need to receive a multi-billion dollar defence subsidy every year becomes easier to justify. I know this possibly sounds like the ramblings of one of your rabid anti-israel mob, but why else would you topple western friendly, secular governments, knowing full well what would take it’s place?
September 14, 2012 at 8:46 am
Dal
Stu
The term ‘Fundementalist’ is often used when referring to Muslims. It might be better used to define George Bush, who once said, ‘God told him to do it’ Then he, along with the other zealot Bliar, obliterated Iraq. A million people have died in the aforementioned country. That’s why there are unfortunate backlashes in the Middle East. The only solution for peace is complete non-intervention from Britain/USA. After all…they are both bankrupt.
September 14, 2012 at 11:18 am
joe burt
Phil
Off subject but BBC are reporting “2 weeks after your expose”that Glasgow Council are meeting to discuss a memorial to An Gorta Mor.
Once again the power of the people is being shown.
My wife managed to get a copy of Downfall in WHS in Livingston and is bringing it out to me next week,i just couldnt wait for its release on kindle.
September 14, 2012 at 7:45 am
Dal
The integral greed of Britain and USA has made the world a more dangerous place. Their monopolisation and violence has brought about further radicalism. It’s also made basic travel an upheavel.
During the reign of Saddam and Gaddafi, there was no Al Qeada presence in those countries. Suffice to add they exist now.
September 13, 2012 at 11:18 pm
John Burns
So what’s the answer – leave all tyrants in place to torture their people in fear that Al Qeada might come in? It is the people of the country who let them in, just as they let the tyrants ‘grind them down’ initially.
When we come in, like Iraq and Libya, remove the tyrants and leave to allow them some kind of self-determination, what happens?
They start killing each other and then turn on us.
In some cases there is not “two sides to every story” – there wasn’t in the case of the Moors Murderers, or, Yorkshire Ripper, or Dennis Neilsen -so as far as the likes Saddam,Gadaffi,Milosevic etc are concerned – they must be ‘taken-out’ – and don’t rely on the UN to do it!
Blair and Clinton saved over a million Muslims in Kosova from genocide – the UN could not even save 7,000 in their ‘so-called’ safe haven in Srebrenica and left a million to die in Rwanda.
Without the willingness of the US to get involved (and please don’t dredge up the usual oil answer) hundreds of millions of people throughout the world would be left to the ‘whim’ of despots.
The policy is not perfect, however that’s the price for doing things – we make mistakes.
THOSE WHO STAND ON THE SIDELINES SNIPING NEVER MAKE A MISTAKE – BECAUSE THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING!!!!
September 14, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Dal
John Burns
A great deal of your vocabulary reflects the gutter tabloids. Doubtless you use terms like ‘collateral damage’ in reponse to Britain’s war crimes. Everyday the media highlights military casualties in Afghanistan, but not of civilians. They manage very well not to diclose that important statistic.
You are what you read.
September 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm
hammy
Arab journalist Zaki Chehab wrote this article in 2007, four years after the invasion of Iraq which maybe of interest
It opens with an account of a bomb attack in Baghdad by Sunni militants which killed 150 Shia muslims and injured 300.
It was called “Bloody Evening”.
http://muslimvmuslim.posterous.com/
September 15, 2012 at 10:04 pm
George Collins
John, humanitarian intervention (R2P) is just a pretext for imperialistic designs.
It’s like Bill Hicks comparing the arming of “tyrants” with the film Shane.
On the subject of Srebrenica, it’s been proved that only 3000-odd bodies were found, and that those that were couldn’t be identified as having died in a combat zone.
Michel Chussodovsky and Diana Johnstone are two people you should read on this subject. The best work on the subject, for me, is Parenti’s “Death of a Nation”.
September 17, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Martybhoy
Just as we sow we shall reap.Harvest Home.
September 13, 2012 at 10:39 pm
k
Hi Phil, sorry to be a pain, just a quick question, what is scarier than a bear with a sore head?
September 13, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Ben mcginlay
I don’t trust any governments. I think there are a lot of things that go on that the normal person does not understand or know about. Minerals, land and strategic alliances are the things that make mistrust the whole lot of them. USA. World Police, don’t make me laugh
September 13, 2012 at 9:15 pm
john duffy
Hi Phil, regarding people having problems purchasing Downfall from shops and Amazon. I got mine from E Bay within four days so guys try e bay. It cost eight ninety nine inc post. Duffy
September 13, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Thanks John.
I do know that WH Smiths in Glasgow are well stocked and Waterstones have a new consignment.
It is also on Sale at Glasgow Airport WHS.
September 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm
tressell
capitalism & religion
dont you just love them?
no wonder the worlds going down the tubes.
September 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm
k
Hi tressell, capitalism? If we live in a capitalist society then everything is for sale! People,shiny plastic things, history! Though i try to avoid K Marx, i have recently got to give credence and credit to him. Any history you want only 10 mil to you gov.
September 13, 2012 at 8:52 pm
bob
This is a sad and worrying report..
http://www.infowars.com/was-u-s-ambassador-lynched/
September 13, 2012 at 6:29 pm
k
HI Bob, i do no trust info wars.
September 13, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Bob
This is alarming from infowars
http://www.infowars.com/was-u-s-ambassador-lynched/
The poor guy certainly looks like he was tortured.
A sad world we live in.
Be great if we all just got along rather than always fighting. Keep to our own countries and only fight if attacked first.
September 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm
eoin
Great articile phil been scrathing my head for over a year wondering why the west mainly britian france and the US were in such a rush to back islamist terrorist groups to do there dirty work this arab spring is gona be one long arab winter and its gona bite those that supported it in the backsides as your articile proves
September 13, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Neil
Phil,
I always find the middle East a very sobering wake up call to those of us who think everything in the garden is Rosie.
Sometimes its “better the Devil you know”, keep your friends close and you enemy’s even closer.
KTF
September 13, 2012 at 4:02 pm
George Collins
The Iranian regime isn’t about to ecquire a nuclear bomb, seeing as the IAEA has 24/7 television access to their nuclear facilities.
The nonsense labelled at Iran stems from a desire to control it’s resources.
Churchill said that Iran was “a prize from Fairyland beyond our wildest dreams”, and that was at the turn of the ’20s.
Iran’s loss to the banking dynasties that control the American and British empires has led them to destabilise, lie, subvert and proagandise ever since the revolution of ’79.
Look at the so-called comments of Ahmadinejad wanting to “wipe Israel off the map”.
Complete nonsense.
What he said was that the Zionist regime, which occupies Jerusalem, should be removed from the page of history, like communism.
Big Woweee!
I’ve said a lot worse about that lot.
Iran has the largest Jewish poulation in the Middle-East and also has has a Jewish member of parliament.
For Ahmadinejad to say that would’ve been just plain stupid.
That’s because he didn’t say it.
The so-called Green revolution in Iran from a few years ago was actually fully funded by the US – George Bush asked Congress to grant nearly half a billion dollars to subvert the Iranian elections – another crime under US and international law.
In fact, Ahmadinejad doesn’t even rule the country outright: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is the supremem leader. He showed this by overruling Ahmadinejad’s decision in 2008 not to provide rural homes with natural gas in .
Also, the head of the army supposedly slapped Ahmadinejad across the face. What kind of leader has an army chief assault him?
The biggest problem we face in this country, in relation to our news, is that no newspaper or broadcaster can be trusted. You’ve shown that with the sorry mess of the Rangers fiasco.
Michael Moore said that Brits have a variety of media outlets offering them a different perspective. What he should’ve said was that there are more outlets covering a broader base to try to get the corporate-financier-line across.
September 13, 2012 at 3:15 pm
RonnieD
Why does the vision of an ostrich spring to mind?
The Iranian regimes aims have been stated numerous times.
September 13, 2012 at 8:47 pm
SamBrowneBelt
RonnieD, I think you’ll find they’ve been mis-stated. Ahmadinejad has NEVER called for the destruction of Israel or Jews (there is a perfectly safe, thriving Jewish community in Iran, and there has been for centuries) – only zionism – two entirely different things.
September 13, 2012 at 11:12 pm
SamBrowneBelt
Perefct George. I read and replied to RonnieD before I read your comments – far more informative and eloquent than mine.
September 13, 2012 at 11:15 pm
tallybhoy
I dont know where you get your information from but there are less than 10,000 Jews living in Iran at present. A census which came out in August showed that there were 8,756.
The number of Iranian Jews in Israel is estimated to be between 200,000 – 250,000.
September 15, 2012 at 4:13 pm
George Collins
Ronnie, the regime’s aims have been stated – incorrectly.
If you’ve got the whole mainstream media deliberately lying (at the top), with the rest of the organisations repeating the churnalism, then you get exactly what we’ve got: a complete fabrication of events.
I’ve spent years on the world’s top political websites every day- I still do in fact; I have 200 books related to international politics, written by the world’s socio-economico-historical elite. I’m not just blowing smoke out of my ass.
I’m assuming you’re a Celtic man, seeing that you’re on this site (I know it’s not only Celtic fans who visit it), so I’ll recommend just one book that’ll begin to change your mindset -nothing too “out there”: Rogue State, by William Blum. An easy one, in that it’s about the US.
September 17, 2012 at 1:46 pm
George Collins
It’s more to do with the case that (with the prompting of the US) France and Britain took the “lead role” in the invasion of Libya, all to fulfil their paymasters objectives: the removal of Muammar Gaddafi and the break up of the Libyan state. This, according to General Wesley Clark and also the Brookings Institute’s “Which Path to Persia?”, would then be followed by the toppling of the Syrian regime, then Hezbollah and, finally, the takeover of Iran.
In fact, this “outrage” has all the hallmarks of a false-flag operation designed to allow the US to build up its presence in Libya.
There was no Arab Spring as we know it: the movements were fully funded by Freedom House, a branch of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).
Sure, there were people taken in by this: there were people in Tunisia and Egypt, both American client states, demanding change.
But Egypt and Tunisia both share a border with Libya, the real target.
First lets point out that Gaddafi was nothing like Saddam: Saddam was put in place by the Americans to do a job and, when his usefulness came to an end, was removed form power.
Gaddafi, after leading a bloodless coup in his country, threw out the Italians, who had been exploiting the country (along with the British and French), said no to US military bases, them embarked upon massive reforms in the country.
He initiated a house-building reform that would see every person in the country have a home; all the while this was taking place, he and his family would live in tents, so that no charges of nepotism could be levelled at him. (His own father died not long before he was due to take up residence in his home.)
Cue the Sun calling him a madman; the Guardian saying “no, it’s because he’s a Bedouin – but yes, he’s still a brute”.
Good to see that the Chatham House-owned Guardian knows which side it’s bread’s buttered on.
Gaddafi diverted underground waters into the desert to transform it into an oasis, providing the country with much-needed agriculture. Out of interest, before the invasion the water was valued at $70 TRILLION.
Libya had a minimum of 3.5% of global oil reserves – the sweetest crude on the planet.
Libya was the only country in Africa to knock back AFRICOM, the US’s African-wide military intervenionist scheme to further rape the continent.
Gaddafi, much like the rest of the continent, had cordial relations with China and had multi-billion pounds trade agreements with them. This money has now been stolen from the Chinese.
Gaddafi had given £350 million dollars, out of a possible £400 million, to the people of Africa for the purchase of a satellite, meaning that they could have their own telecommunications without the need for Western propaganda being deployed over their airwaves.
And last, but not least, he had put in place a plan to dump not just the dollar as the reserve currency, but also the Euro, obviating the Wall Street/London financier hegemony that has destroyed the world. (You cannot just buy oil, you have to buy dollars first. Nice bit of rigging by the US.)
Interestingly, Saddam and the Taliban were both attacked after opting for the Euro over the dollar as the reserve currency.
The groups who “rebelled” in Libya were Al-Qaeda, the US-backed terrorist organisation, and affiliates, not “the brutalised” people of Libya. Witness the BBC (Brookings Institute-member) stating that there were a gabillion people in Tahrir square in Egypt, but failing to point out the 1.7 MILLION people – one third of the entire country – demonstrating in support of Gaddafi in Green square during the war. The BBC was there, why not mention it?)
Getting back to the article, it seems likely that, now their puppets are in place, the US is looking for an excuse to announce their presence properly on the stage. This will allow them to split the country into three parts, as Madhi Darius Nazemroaya has posited, creating even more tribal frictions.
And this is the plan with all their targets: initiate coloured revolutions, as was seen in Iran et el.; and if that doesn’t work, introduce militants who purport to be “activists” crying out for “change” and “democracy”. Then use your media puppets to show one-sided images, all the while blaming the governments of these countries. And if you can’t win, as in Syria, denounce those upholding international law (Russia, China etc), whilst overtly arming the “rebels” – itself a crime under international law.
As I said, this has the US’s dirty fingerprints all over it.
Terry Jones, the pastor who threatened to burn the Koran, helps make a film that gets shown across the muslim world. Who decided it would get shown? Surely they’d realise the danger involved.
And you can forget Morsi’s nonsense. The Muslim Brotherhood is yet another tool of the global corporate-financier elite.
September 13, 2012 at 2:47 pm
k
Hey George Collins, as far as i am concerned you are preaching to the converted, but i would say to the unconverted who are these NED? Who are these people(copyrite AM). What color is the next revolution going to be? It might have been on this blog or another, it does not matter, as pastor N says who is going to stand up for you. Kudos GC..
September 13, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Frankier
I had to laugh at the beginning of this particular conflict when the story (fairytale)was that it was a group of doctors, architects, accountants, whatever that had happened to meet on a Sunday afternoon stroll and decided to wage war, via the internet, on Colonel Ghaddafi. You see, they wanted British style independence and, despite being doctors, architects and accountants, etc., they also wanted education. What a laugh! This new part-time army all of a sudden had the latest, up to date arms and missiles at their disposal and, to cut a long story short, are now in government with all the power they need to turn the tables on their little helpers. And so, as the saying goes, the band played and they all lived happily ever after and we still have the third world roads and high unemployment.
September 13, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Andybhoy
Ha,Americans,,,they send in unstable people to try and stabilise a country,,,anybody point me in the direction where this has worked before.this is a Zionist USA plan to take control of the middle east AND the prize,,,OIL.there is a map of American bases in mid east,,Iran is totally surrounded,,just waiting for the lies and excuses to attack,,Israel don’t want to wait,,but the yanks have them on a short leash just now,,as in every war america have been involved in,,something magical will come out the blue sky to let them say,,told you they were bad,,let’s go.the first world war to Iraq,,something always happens.
September 13, 2012 at 2:21 pm
miki67
On the money, again, Phil Mac. Concise and informative. Historically precise,too.
The Brits and their ‘Butcher’s Apron’. Trying to carve up the world to suit their own bloodymindedness, and getting it all so hideously wrong.
September 13, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Bill
The so called Arab Spring just needed a catalyst to set off a chain reaction. The whole region is now on the boil and the deposed dictatorships don’t appear to be morphing into model democracies. I suspect there will be more violence and retribution before things settle down. Let’s hope we don’t have an Arab Winter.
September 13, 2012 at 1:21 pm
k
Hi phil, this article maybe of interest to you if you have not already read it.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/12/261184/cia-mossad-team-up-to-insult-islam/
Also can i ask do you or any of your reader have a real fear of Iran??
September 13, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
The current Iranian regime acquiring a deliverable nuclear weapon should be a fear to all of us.
September 13, 2012 at 2:00 pm
michaelk1888
Phil your love in with USA does not do justice, they are the evil axis in this world, the Iarnians with a nuclear capability is no worse than Israel having it, in fact they have a right to defend themselves. I have visited Libya and meet with past senior leaders. The conflict was created by USA to destabalise the region but more importantly to recover the position and flow of crude oil. The current contract with US /France/ UK were all finishing and had been replaced by new contracts with a % pre paid by the Chinese.
I agree and support many of your comments but not on this occassion. HH
September 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
My concern at the Tehran regime having nuclear weapons does not mean that I am comfortable with the Israelis owning same.
Unlike Saddam in 2003 Israel really does possess WMD!
September 13, 2012 at 4:57 pm
k
Hi Phil, ‘am in total agreement with you, the thought of any regime possessing nuclear weapons(That is spelt NEW CLEAR ER ER). Is indeed a worry. As you say “My whole life” I might be dreaming, when i say, i recall pissing the bed because i was that terrified that everything i knew and loved could be extinguished in a moment. Maybe im still dreaming, i have got to be because that is not reality, is it?
September 13, 2012 at 8:33 pm
SamBrowneBelt
Why would Iran having a nuclear weapon affect us in these islands? They won’t come to us so if we stay away from them we’ll be fine. What countries have Iran ever invaded or occupied? They only want to defend themselves from the existential threat (getting louder by the day) from the apartheid state of so-called Israel. Viva Palestina!
September 13, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Pseudonym
Michaelk1888 : there is an enormous difference between israel and iran having nuclear weapons. the israelis won’t use them unless the arab nations surrounding try another seven day war and look like winning. they won’t pass them on to anyone else to use, simple as that.
iran – im not so sure.
September 14, 2012 at 7:05 am
George Collins
Let’s not forget that you still need a delivery system – Britain abandoned its own in the ’60s because it was “ruinously expensive”, as Jim Sillars put it.
On top of that, Iran has no desire to have itself wiped from the map.
Think about it – all those Iranian scientists killed by the MEK (Mujhadin-e-Khalk) on behalf of Mossad and the CIA, and not once has Teheran responded with force.
The Iranians aren’t stupid: they know that one false move and the predictions of the Brookings Institute, Zbigniew Brzezinski, PNAC et al. will all come true.
That doesn’t mean that they’ll sit back and let themselves be bullied, especially where Syria and Hezbollah are concerned.
And the fact that there’s only a certain amount of Jews means nothing. After all, using the reasoning that Ahmadinejad’s a Jew-hating loony, means that there’d be none.
Anyone interested should log on to Global Research Centre, Information Clearing House or Blacklisted News.
You can also check out Michael Parenti, Michel Chussodovsky, William Blum, John Pilger, David Ray Griffin and a host of others.
Do not get you information from the msm – and that includes, most specifically, the Guardian.
September 17, 2012 at 1:28 pm
k
Sorry forgot my manners, Hi Phil.
September 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm
k
Hi Phil, i will ponder on what you say, respect to you. Any chance i can say Peace and love to all.
September 13, 2012 at 9:42 pm
k
Remember when the French were the baddies because they would not support the looting of Iraq? They stood to lose a lot of dosh, crazy money, they have got to recoup their loses somehow. Apart from Libya what are French up to in Mali these days?
Nice one Phil.
September 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm
alan ryan
I see they abhor and violently oppose the publication of books and films they dont agree with in those parts. Mmm , where have I heard that before ?!!
September 13, 2012 at 11:13 am
PaulMc
That’s extremists for you.
September 13, 2012 at 1:54 pm
k
A world of truth ? why is it so hard AR (Nearly said Ayan r there, do not mention social Darwinism what ever you do . ) For people to live together who is kidding who?
September 13, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Da
America/John Bull had only alterior motives for intervening in Libya and Iraq. Natural resources were the motivation for the imperialists to go in all guns blazing. Far from creating liberation and freedom in the Middle East, they have merely created more Jihadists and instability.
September 13, 2012 at 11:08 am
alfredo67
The rule of Tito law. Self -Control.
September 13, 2012 at 11:01 am
john
Having spent a fair amount of my life in that region and also been working in Tehran (not oil).. there is more hatred in the so called friendly Gulf states (Saudi in particular)towards USA and UK. Wasnt that long ago beheading westerners in Riyadh and posting on jihad websites was pretty common… I dont recall such things happening in Iran even though they are under embargo and cant even refine the oil they have to petrol(they have rationing on petrol). The population of Iran are being punished because the USA & UK dont much like their leaders… Not that we have ever backed a raving mad man or anything…
we reap what we sow
September 13, 2012 at 11:01 am
Thomas
I dont always agree with you, this was coming, Arab Spring? Nonsense, Libyan tribes will run riot again as in the days before Gaddafi.God help us.
World a safer place USA? Hard hats on people!
September 13, 2012 at 10:49 am
Fionn
Libya have oil and are much weaker than the Iranians or the Saudis. They fit the perfect criteria for a ‘friendly’ invasion despite the two more powerful ones being more guilty of past crimes. Apparently, I won’t pretend to know if true or not.
September 13, 2012 at 10:43 am