Just when we thought this circus could not get any stranger.
I have been informed by an excellent source that discussions are currently ongoing to allow FC New Co going into SFL1.
There are presently no mechanisms to allow this.
However, it would appear that we are in uncharted waters.
Brian
Declan – tell us again why BJ was not the choice to be the sole manager, initially.
June 18, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Declan
I dont see how we can put the rangers fc 2012 into division 3 because of past deeds, after all they have only been going for a couple of days. I do however think that as a new club they must apply for membership of the SFA and as such start in the lowest league. Lets make sure when we are discussing this situation we are very clear there are two clubs involved firstly rangers 1872-2012 who must have all trophies taken from them through the cheating years (Celtic fc 12 in a row) and The rangers fc 2012 who must start in division 3, with as we speak 5 days history, at least they have started better than rangers 1872-2012 as they haven’t as yet stated that they won’t sign Roman Catholics.
June 18, 2012 at 9:05 am
Paul Boyle
Just a thought, Rangers in Liquidation after winning their recent court case are given a new “slap on the wrist”, suspended from the Scottish Cup for one season, which when they are liquidated is carried forward to The Rangers as part of retaining their “tainted history”!!!!!
I know it sounds ridiculous, but some of the decisions by the Authorities at times appear to be verging on a comedy show, with their statements and twitters, should we really call them the “Tainted Authorities”!!
OK, The Rangers could not take part and will lose revenue, BUT not much as they would be able to take part in the Scottish Challenge Cup, where I am sure they would recoup some of their ” lost revenue” if they are placed in the SFL.
So a nice little earner for them The Rangers and also acquiring the Rangers in Liquidation “tainted history” very cheaply!!!!!
So this “slap on the wrist”, would be more like a “golden handshake”!!! especially for the Rangers in liquidation fans.
Dunno if The Rangers have any fans yet seeing they are a new company which is trying to be a new football club, but they sure as hell would have them if the “tainted history” got passed over to them!!!
I just hope the independant tribunal are not for giving “handshakes” and will not “walk away” from suspending or expelling the club Rangers in liquidation.
Surely this would leave the “SPL share” in limbo especially if it was a suspension for a year.
Curious how the legal arguements would work out as Mr Green tries to buy the one pound “SPL share” with Rangers in liquidation being suspended or even expelled?
Would he offer two pounds for the immediate tranfer of the “SPL Share”?
Would any of the chairmen of the SPL clubs bring up this factor when they discuss and vote on a transfer of the SPL share.
I BLOODY WELL HOPE SO!!!
As surely they cannot give a “Tainted SPL share” which belonged to Rangers in liquidation to a new company called The Rangers which currently is not even a football club and has not even played one football game , not even a “friendly”
If all else fails for The Rangers I wonder if Mr Green would consider basketball, he could always ask for advice from a previous owner of the Rangers in liquidation, who was also involved that sport and then rename his team as The Govan Rangers Trotters, end up doing exhibition games around the world!
June 18, 2012 at 7:31 am
lordmac
if Rangers where to get back into the SPL, why not get rid of the dead wood, like teams that bring nothing into the game like St johnstone, kilmarnock,no fans of note not like the Gers. and any team that dont have over say 6,000 fans, put into the third division after all that is what is getting proposed,
June 17, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Rangers can’t get in anywhere.
They’re dead.
June 17, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Martin
That’s why they want the immediate merger with the SFL & SPL.
To be honest I would settle for them going into division 1. As long as they are out of the SPL.
June 17, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Michael
NEWCO
ARE YOU BEING SERVED?
Ground floor: perfumery
stationery and leather goods
wigs and haberdashery
kitchenware and food. Going up!
First floor: telephones
gents ready-made suits
shirts, socks, ties, hats
underwear and shoes. Going up!
Second floor: carpets
travel goods and bedding
material, soft furnishings,
restaurant and teas. Going down!
First floor: telephones
gents ready-made suits
shirts, socks, ties, hats
underwear and shoes. Going down!
June 17, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Billyboy
Sorry, “biggest”
June 17, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Billyboy
It looks as if Rangers are about to succeed with one of the niggest scams in the history of taxes and we know how far back that goes.
June 17, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Evil Harry
Alex – Bank of Scotland have lent David Murray near enough 1 billion pounds. (A sordid story all by itself.)
Yet we were told the RFC debt owed to BoS (a paltry 18m) had to be paid off immediately or RFC would be put into administration by the bank. This is what precipitated this whole recent final decline of RFC Plc.
But ask yourself – why?
Bank of Scotland have just recently capitalized a further 120m pounds of outstanding debt in MIH recognizing MIH have no chance of repaying it (as debt).
Furthermore when Craig Whyte bought RFC, MIH group (i.e. the bank who controls it) wrote off a further 65m pounds of RFC debt that was being held in the MIH group – this 65m of RFC debt that was moved into MIH group was how Murray avoided RFC going insolvent the penultimate time he got into a mess. When Murray ‘sold’ to Whyte MIH was forced to write the 65m off as part of the deal.
So ask yourself given these large sums (120m + 65m) – what does a measly 18m in debt owed by one small arm of Murray’s empire (i.e. RFC) really mean to the banks here in the grand scale of it?
The answer is nothing – they could easily have written it all off just to save Murray’s blushes.
But the bank knew that this was not the real problem – the real problem was the big tax case.
The bank baulked at paying that one off so they decided to cut RFC loose.
And this scheme we are seeing here: From Murray to Whyte to D&P to Green – has all been planned well in advance. With the help of Grier of course all along the way.
This is a massive set-up and as a professional myself I am shocked at how brazen it is.
This mess at RFC is part of the larger banking sleaze we are seeing writ large all over the UK economy and beyond.
These guys need to be exposed., for all our sakes. This battle at RFC is microcosm of the larger battle we are fighting on a national scale, it is about truth, honesty and integrity against cheating, lies and greed.
June 17, 2012 at 12:02 pm
tecumseh
Well said Harry….not one ticket for any football match …anywhere…. Amateur, Junior, Senior should be purchased by anyone as long as this disgrace is being shoved down our throats.
I never attend football matches of any kind, but have been following this sordid saga for months….if you pay money into Scottish football in any form and they get away with this …then the supporters are as bad as the crooks….
Worse even, for it everyone can see that you are being well and truly shafted.
June 17, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Martybhoy
Music fans with a moral compass wouldn’t pay to watch a Gary Glitter tribute band.
Decent football fans won’t part with cash to watch a tribute to a corpse that took far too long to die.
June 17, 2012 at 9:16 am
rorie
if this lot are allowed into div.1 i understand it will either be dundee or dunfermline who will go to the spl, if these two teams or all the other sfl1 teams were to refuse to accept promotion, on the grounds of fair play and common decency, what will happen?
June 17, 2012 at 8:22 am
Paul Boyle
So we have the S.F.A urgently now trying to take action for the alleged benefit of ALL clubs in ALL leagues.
If there was such urgent need to reorganise our leagues, why was this not achieved long before the start of a season?
So that clubs knew in advance for promotion/relegation where they would be placed in a “newleagues setup”.
I presume the sponsors of the current leagues have been informed of this development. I wonder where does the SFA stand legally in ripping up these contracts if the current leagues cease to exist. Will companies expect compensation from the SFA, has this cost been factored in?
I also presume re-negotiated sponsorship deals for the “newleagues set”
Again what happens to The Scottish Football League Challenge Cup, commonly known as the Scottish Challenge Cup, is a knockout football cup competition organised by the Scottish Football League. Entry is open to the member clubs of the Scottish Football League and from 2011 the two highest ranked clubs of the Highland Football League are invited to compete. In June 2011 the cup was named the Ramsdens Cup for sponsorship reasons.
Have they even thought about this cup competition, if there is “newleague setups”
I find it very strange that ALL of a sudden for the benefit of ALL clubs they are rushing this in for a season 2012-13 which starts in approx. in less than two months time.
With the Rangers in liquidation fiasco, with the EBT fiasco, with the alleged dual contract fiasco, with the Rangers in court case fiasco, with Rangers in liquidation failure to produce audited accounts fiasco, with the Rangers in liquidation failure to comply within time rules about paperwork to be sent to the Authorities about the alleged dual contracts, I just wish that the SFA had shown the same URGENCY to resolve these matters in a short space of time.
All we are talking about is ONE CLUB for them to investigate but apparantly that was too much for them and they needed time, months and months and months of time for just ONE CLUB.
SO HOW THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO FINALISE BUSINESS that includes SPL Clubs 12, SFL clubs 34, HFL clubs 15, if you take into consideration that the Scottish Challenge Cup affect 2 Highland league teams, as well as broken, renegotiated Sponsorship deals!
AND they STILL have to deal with this one club Rangers in liquidation but also they have another issue another potential club wants to join their league set up called THE RANGERS, do our authorities have enough manpower resources to investigate all this in time?
Will they ask the new entrant The Rangers to wait their time as they have there hands full trying to deal with ONE club and then all the other clubs, so that thier application will eventually be looked at some in the future? I BET YOU THEY WILL NOT!!!!!!!
WE are talking about a minimum of 46 clubs, NOT just 1 club, when they cannot make any reasonable judgement on 1 club over months, but they will have to set in motion judgements and administration that will have to be in effect within the space of a few weeks with this “newleagues setup”!
June 17, 2012 at 8:08 am
Dannybhoy1976
Very good point Paul, how exactly are these imbeciles going to revolutionise Scottish football in around 6 weeks when they’ve had 4 months minimum to deal with that ONE club, and have made no tangible progress!?
June 17, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Agent One
Hi All
Have a look at The SPL site,they have adjusted the League Table and Zeroed the points can some one tell me why there is the name “Rangers” on the list as they don’t have a membership to the SPL and are not Members of any Football Association.
It also gives you a link to Glasgow Rangers FC, maybe the SPL have started a Clairvoyance Service because as far as I was lead to believe,The Said club passed away last week.
To Be continued
Agent one
June 17, 2012 at 6:16 am
john mckeown
I am a bit concerned that my club (Celtic) have not made any comment on the present situation. Fans in Scotland need some leadership on this issue and as a long standing season ticket holder and shareholder I feel the club is treading water and waiting for the ticket money before commiting.
Why do we have to rely on Phil and others to give us a perspective on the situation for no reward when we are giving the clubs we support our cash.
I love the Scottish football game and I would support a new league setup if it benefits all, but the way this has been brought forward is clouded by the present situation. Celtic should be clear and upfront with their take on this and give the fans a clear message. I have, by the way, paid for my season tickets and hope that my club use their influence to make sure that media outlets are forced to present a truthfull picture of the situation.
Sorry for the rant. I love your stuff Phil and wish you and yours all the best.
June 17, 2012 at 3:26 am
SamBrowneBelt
I’m concerned at the silence from Celtic Park, at such a momentous time in the history of Scottish football. Do Celtic really not have a view on this? Why won’t they speak to their own supporters? I can only hope they are keeping their powder dry, and that they will act properly when required.
June 17, 2012 at 2:01 am
SamBrowneBelt
Phil, saw this on another forum and thought it worthy of posting here – is there any point in pursuing?
some govt notes about phoneix companies “Whilst it is not illegal to start up a phoenix company following the liquidation of the original company, there are rules in place designed to prevent directors from effectively ‗running a company into insolvency’ leaving unpaid creditors, only to set-up a similar business over night. These rules include restrictions on the use of a company name, the legitimate sale of assets and transactions that may be set aside for being at a preference or undervalue.” “A phoenix company may not use any name by which the liquidating company was known in the last 12 months or a name which is so similar that it suggests an association with the liquidated company. The only exception is if there is an arrangement with the liquidator to acquire substantially the whole of the business of the insolvent company or the new company with the similar name has been known as such for 12 months prior to the creditors meeting of the liquidated company and has not been dormant.” “there may be grounds for having disposal of company assets transactions set aside on the grounds that they are preference transactions, or transactions at an undervalue.” “the company enters into a transaction with that person for a consideration the true value of which is significantly less than the value of the consideration provided by the company. An example of a transaction at an undervalue would be if the director of an insolvent company sold assets at a fraction of their true value to another company owned by his son. An application could be made to the Court to have the transaction set aside as a transaction at an ‗undervalue‘; the assets involved would instead be used for the benefit of the creditors”
June 17, 2012 at 1:57 am
JimBhoy
Regardless of where they play, most of their top players would have moved on. They will probably have their transfer ban lifted as they are no longer the old Rangers, but who is gonna deal in new players with this mob after their footballing debt.
Most of their fans are suspicious of Green, I would be surprised if the season ticket sales reached the thousands.
Question is does Wattie nosurname wait ’til the Green Boys run out of cash or give up and sell the assets or do they put their money where their mouth is over the next few weeks and try to win the fans back…??
That £10m a year deficit included 50,000 at Ibrox, sponsorships from sky and other sources all dead now, where do tennents stand, JJB, they were all with the oldco? Do they have a new shirt coming out with no sponsor? That deficit figure also included some Euro games good cup and spl monies. Most of that will be gone next season (SPL2), they wont have the big wages to pay i guess.
Gonna be an interesting 2 or 3 months. Let’s hope Green is in charge for the start of the season, that will set of another fun filled story of Rangers #2.
June 17, 2012 at 1:07 am
John Burns
Agree with all you say, Jimbhoy – there can now surely never be joint sponsorship again between Celtic and Sevco – it will be abhorrent to all Tims.
So, what does the future hold with Tennants? Sevco have no contract with them and they must honour the Celtic contract.
Will they seek to set up a new deal with Sevco, or, will they compensate Celtic for the remainder of the contract and ‘pull-out’?
Notwithstanding all the other ‘crap’ that surrounds Sevco – it will be interesting how this plays out.
June 17, 2012 at 9:04 am
Thommy
it seems to me that the SPL IS Rangers….its sad and pathetic.
June 17, 2012 at 12:45 am
andrew murray
Just seen someone with a rangers top on, how retro!!
June 17, 2012 at 12:31 am
JimBhoy
Looks like word has got out alright… Soo this is now gonna read that Rangers won, forcing the SPL to their knees and having to radically reform.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/rangers-liquidation-sfa-league-merger-could-drop-rangers-just-one-division-1-2359952
June 17, 2012 at 12:23 am
JimBhoy
I actually heard this on Wednesday night from a Rangers supporter pal of mine… I took it as speculation but maybe not now based on the evidence presented. SFA and SPL are a joke… I really dont care any more, just get the dual contracts stuff out and take their silverware off them and let’s see what other clubs they played against while cheating do with the backing of Uefa/Fifa. TRFC clinging onto the history could be another bad mistake.
So newco will not get voted to SPL as ALL clubs and fans despise them now seeing their true makeup. Parachute to SFL1. All their players regsitered with oldo can move on and most will imo, so they will have no players, will they be able to buy new players now they are newco, probably, will other clubs do busines with them, will they have any money as the fans bhoycott games in protest, will they be sanctioned for going to court or is that old co, will the dual contracts case mean newco gets punished, I think the SFA will pave the way for newco to come out smeling of roses. I see more administration pain as most revenue streams dry up over the next 4-5 months.
There is a march to Ibrox also to show favour to Wattie, they will have no support, turmoil will pursue next season… Craigie Whyte will crawl out the woodwork too or maybe his Da..! The DR will be at the @rse end of everything as usual claiming exclusives, the world will keep on turning..
June 17, 2012 at 12:14 am
Stewie
My recollection regarding Dundee in administration a couple of years back, when appealing a 25 (not 10) point penalty received, it was all SFL teams who voted on it (not just the first division). My guess would be that all teams would consequently be required to vote on Hughie’s crew coming in to the First Division. Hopefully though, for once your intel is wrong – its time to stand up to Sky and burst the Doncaster lead myth that Scottish Football needs Rangers.
June 17, 2012 at 12:11 am
Stevie Reid
We must make a stand against this skullduggery…simple as that !!
June 17, 2012 at 12:07 am
Shiltrum
Phil
Does that mean there are no rules in the big book for this type of scenario oh my!. Looks like they will have to make them up then hold on a precident has been set they can’t do that.A trip to the courts is on the cards what are the chances of it being kicked into the long grass.:)
June 17, 2012 at 12:01 am
allanmcglinchey
just emailed sfa,its obvious im not a writer but may i suggest that all rifght thinking football fans follow suit.
below is the email i sent.
i am writing this email as a disgusted celtic supporter who has attended football in this country for over 35 years, i feel i ,have to put my point across to you as i do not believe that the governing bodies in this country are fit for purpose.
you as an organisation have stood by and allowed rangers football club to drag scottish football through the myre. for over 25 years they have spent money that they did not have to field teams with players that they would never had been able to sign if they had played by the rules that all other scottish clubs adhere to.
i believe the lack of leadership over this fiasco since 14th february of this year when rangers football club went into administration has been nothing short of cowardly.
now rangers are dufunct and a newco is on the way, i believe that the sfa spl and sfl will conspire to have a rangers team of some sort represented in the top flight in scotland, i have to tell you that you are going to kill scottish football stone dead if you continue down this line. rangers are guilty of bringing the game into disrepute, failure to pay member clubs fees for players withholding tax from hmrc, and with the threat of being found guilty of misuse of ebt schemes.
in order to save this one club you are sending a message out that it is ok to cheat i and the thousands of real supporters of your organisations member clubs demand that justice is done.
i believe you are guilty of mishandling the situation intentionally in order to help rangers survive and carry on unpunished or with the least amount of punishment as possible with their history intact.
you are showing now just how currupt the game in this country is and is being run by incompetents.
i am just a working class man, the bread and butter customer of scottish football its about time you took our opinions on board.
i believe the resignations of stuart regan, neil doncaster and especially campbell ogilvie (ebt) are well overdue it is time the guilty are punished properly.
the new rangers football club must be thrown out of the league and have to apply to play in the 3rd division, if they want to carry on the history of the old club then they should have to pay all outstanding monies owed to creditors along with all football debts that they owe, if not the the gig is up.
sporting fairness must always prevail over financial gain
June 16, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Dannybhoy1976
Nice one Allan, I’ve already sent a similarly lengthy email to the SFA and encouraged others to do the same, even just resending my original, they need to be left in no uncertain terms as to the depth of feeling on this one
June 17, 2012 at 7:28 pm
thomas
i spent many a year , and many a pound following the team i love. i spent many a year upset, crying, felling sick when our biggest rivals appeared to be the better team and beat us over and over. I spent many a year getting being riddiculed by supporters of them. i spent many years, seasons , moments, memories taken from me by cheats and thieves, say no to the newco
June 16, 2012 at 11:34 pm
jim larkin
i have to say…we’re at it as well.
newco
it is newclub rangers
June 16, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Cavanbhoy
Ffs what is going on in Caledonia?
Bring the Celts to Ireland
HH
June 16, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Guillermo
As for the Newco being referred to as “The Rangers”, not much we can do on that score unfortunately. Bit of a snidey one, admittedly, but that is the Newco’s official name, whether we like it or not.
However, I do object in the strongest possible terms to language such as “allowed BACK into the SPL”. The Rangers (2012) clearly cannot go back somewhere they have never been in the first place.
Nor can they CONTINUE with anything that wasn’t in place before a few days ago.
It is this word play by the Laptop Loyal we must not entertain.
June 16, 2012 at 10:46 pm
paddybhoy
Hi Phil
Nothing surprizes me any more regarding the would be ‘Newco F.C.’ and the misdomenours of the auld defunct ‘Dignity F.C.’
Obviously I’ll take your word for that…your always on the ball!
Seems sporting integrity is completly ‘oot the windae’ and SFA/SPL are in cahoots with Sky who are calling the shots!
As it seems if they are talking like this before the chairmen of the SPL vote…on said Newco entry…The results of the cheating must be known to them and this is a compromise in damage limitation.
Please use your influence Phil with regards to Alex Thommo/honest media etc and all outwith the scottish MSM to highlight the blatant bending of the rules by corrupt organisations for another potentialy corrupt entity.
(sorry but I’m sure your already doing this,but I have to ask)
All of us outwith the media/journalism that want equality and fair play will do our part by emailing SFA and SPL to voice our outrage and keep telling all and sundry..how it really is!
Paddybhoy
June 16, 2012 at 10:12 pm
aldobhoy67
I am not surprised nor shocked by this but I am absolutely feckin furious at the lengths the governing bodies will go to to protect this bullying cheating mob.
It is time for action we are the biggest club in this country. Now is the time for all fan groups to unite and say as one that we will not take this.
Can we find 1 petition for all right minded fans for all clubs on this country to sign and show en masse how we feel about this farce which is clearly being orchestrated by the huns and supported by the Scottish media.
I love Celtic with all my heart and soul and I know we ve always been up against the real old firm the huns and the media.
A total boycott of every away ground in the country, sky, the sun, the record, phone in shows or any other sponsors of Scottish football.
This is beyond a joke we cannot stand by and see this happen, they have cheated every team in this country and abroad as they have fielded illegal players in every game they have played since adopting ebts.
If there is someone out there with the ability to get this off the ground now is the time to get going.
June 16, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Gordon Taylor
Does anyone know if Campbell Ogilvie is still SFA chairman? If so, how can this be, as his club does not exist.
June 16, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Guillermo
A Modest Proposal – with not a hint of satire.
Would anyone of sound mind take part in a game of cards where the dealer is using a marked deck? Would anyone of sound mind take up a challenge to race 100 metres if an opponent was allowed to use his motorbike?
So here is the conundrum: why do fans of teams outside The Rangers Newco give credibility to a sporting competition that is clearly as bent as the back road to Shotts?
Old Rangers are dead. I am not disputing that. I am talking, however, about the suggestion (or is it a done deal?) to let The Rangers Newco – with not a penny of debt – gain entry to the Scottish Football League, and not at the bottom tier.
This is the envelope being pushed by the Laptop Loyal. It should be dismissed out of hand. Absolutely no debate entertained.
If, however, it turns out to be the case, then here is my modest proposal: Celtic supporters should speak with one voice regarding our refusal to dignify any longer the scam that masquerades as Scottish football. We should make a concerted effort to push our case for entry into the English League set up.
let’s not swallow the medicine, administered almost daily by the Laptop Loyal, designed to keep us in a state of bovine acquiescence of our hopeless chances of entry to English football.
We know the softly spoken, patronising gunk: “If Celtic entered the English league it would only mean Dutch teams demanding to play in the Bundesliga”. Bullshit! Dutch people don’t possess German passports. They don’t pay taxes (ouch!) to the Federal Republic of Germany. We pay taxes(ouch!)to British central government. Our government’s fiscal decisions directly affect our life expectancy and prosperity.
I suspect that many Celtic fans may think it is beneath the stature of the club to enter any of the lower leagues in England. However, I feel that a few years of budget trimming and humble-pie eating would not be the end of the club. Let’s not display the arrogance of ‘ra peepul’ in demanding a seat at the captain’s table when we only have a steerage ticket in our back pocket.
I am, admittedly, an armchair rebel. I can only salute guys like Phil and Paul McConville. Neither do I possess the organisational skills needed for this proposal. I do wish sincerely though that there could be found a few good men to give it legs. The sooner the better.
I hate to finish on this sour note but if Celtic, in any way, are found to be complicit in this Zombie Rangers scam then everything above is null and void, for me anyway – as I will simply dig out the hill-walking boots when the farce of Scottish football is being played out.
June 16, 2012 at 9:37 pm
hokeypokey
Sorry guys, but I am really getting p****d off with contributors referring to NewCo as Rangers. That club is dead.
This is to be expected from the laptop loyal(see King in the currant bun),they have to play up to a constituency in denial, but we should not tolerate here.
June 16, 2012 at 9:25 pm
paddybhoy
Agree completly mate…had a wee rant myself about this on Celticminded last night…we have unfortunatly had to live with them (ex huns)for all of our lives and it’s hard for a lot of people to remember that they are no more. Let’s keep reminding them lol!
June 16, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Stevie Reid
Sfl 1 jeez ! A soft landing for them. The game is a bogey up here now, the ba is burst. I think us fans should make our feelings be known. Everything football and sport stands for is out the window. A mickey mouse set-up in this backward wee country and now the game is donald ducked !!
June 16, 2012 at 8:51 pm
SamBrowneBelt
Rangers are dead. Their squalid history is intact and should not be tampered with. Its shame should be there for all to see, with no revisionism.
There is a New Club. Why should there be any compromise? They should apply for a licence and, if granted, should take their place in the Third Division.
Any tainted trophies should be removed from Rangers(deceased).
This is not the time to show weakness.
There will NEVER be another Old Firm game. There is no Old Firm. We should never speak of the New Club as Rangers. They should be known as New Club or Tainted Club … anything, but not Rangers.
June 16, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Jim Wood
Their only history is since they formed the new club mate.
June 17, 2012 at 7:12 am
frank
hi phil have you heard anything about A SCOTISH MANAGER GETTING PAID THROUGH A EBT IF TRUE WERE DO WE GO HERE WITH THE SFA
June 16, 2012 at 8:21 pm
davie mac
Sorry SPL and SFL merging that would keep decision makin easier eh!!! bent as a ten bob note the whole thing.
June 16, 2012 at 8:20 pm
davie mac
So the wheels are turnin, SPL and SFA becoming one under a Mr Ogilvie it wouldnt surprise me.
June 16, 2012 at 8:16 pm
John Burns
I want Rangers punished severely for all their wrongdoings and, of course, I would welcome putting them out of business completely, just because of their bigoted and sectarian history.
This is not going to happen, let’s face it.
I want the transfer ban to stand, I want complete redress for honours won when cheating – i.e. record book changes and all those who indulged in ‘financial doping’ over the years, brought to book.
There will be a Rangers club in some form or another, there is too big a constituency for there not to be. I also believe that the consequences of Rangers going under for all time, would be grave civil unrest.
I would be prepared to settle for Rangers dropping down to the First Division – I am sure this is a move that CAN happen.
Rangers will never live down the ignominy of losing all their history, being known for evermore as cheats, being relegated for the first time,having honours ‘stripped’ from them and generally being thought of as pariahs in Scottish, if not, British football.
Does anyone agree with me? – Phil what would be your opinion – I would value it very much.
June 16, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
John. That history isn’t “lost” it is still there.
The history of RFC 1872 is concluded.
It is over.
The club is dead.
June 16, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Kevin
What an absolute disgrace – all just because Sky Sports have told the SFA they were only prepared to accept a single season without the Old Firm.
Any longer than that (i.e. TRFC starts in Div 3 and work their way up to the SPL, which could take years) then Sky Sports will rip up their TV rights & walk away.
Also, I think it is very, very sneaky of the SFA to do this as no doubt the chairmen of SFL1 clubs will be tempted by gate receipts when their club play against the Newco club at Ibrox.
Do they bite the hand that feeds them by saying no to Newco in SFL1?
That’s the dilemma which the SFL1 club chairmen will be facing in the coming weeks.
June 16, 2012 at 6:54 pm
daniel Murphy
Kevin, All clubs retain home receipts therefore your argument is non existent – Receipts are only split for cup games
June 16, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Brendan
Why are we surprised?
Over a century of favour is hardly going to diminish in the blink of an eye – they were the establishment club, Newco will be favoured also….
A club that has cheated for well nigh a generation, not paying taxes, not paying any of their creditors, who used its influence at the SFA to hold Timmy in his place for decades, whose fans are welcome nowhere having trashed and poluted major football cities like Manchester, Barcelona (2)and many others, who shame this country with their sectarian filth, whose support have attacked the manager of Celtic and attempted to murder him, who show no remorse nor humility for their wrongdoings, who bully the innocent, who tell us they are the peepul, who will embarrass ths country again, again and again but who can rely on a compliant and supportive media, who can rely on Football leaders who need starch in their shirts to stay upright….
Just what you want to protect at all costs….
And if you do, it’s all over….
Just as well that we can rely on their sense of un-failing arrogance and in-fighting to ensure that newco will suffer in the process, at best an ill prepared new team next season … still be a while before they get their 1st trophy…
The game is still up and their still fecked, hopeless and toxic and the world knows it
Brendan
June 16, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Uncle Meat
Interesting point from Ben McGinlay re. Celtic applying to join the English Football League. Paddy Power are giving odds of 16/1 for them to join the EPL, not outrageous odds I’m sure you’d agree, but more interesting they’re only 5/1 to join the EFL, do the people at PP know something?
June 16, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Martybhoy
The Brotherhood flexes it’s muscles to protect it’s paymasters.
Thank feck I no longer live in the best fecked up wee country in the world.
Worse than a banana republic in the eyes of outsiders these days.
June 16, 2012 at 6:25 pm
royster
Phil,this is a bit worrying as virtually all you have said has come to pass.They are obviously trying to placate FIFA i would imagine. Is it possible that Celtic might lobby other Scottish clubs with the intention to form a new league without this newco being able to gain access to it, whilst still remaining within uefa or is this me in fantasy land!
June 16, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Paul Boyle
It would be possible but would take 2 years!
See current rule on a Club wishing to terminate it’s contract with the S.P.L.
Termination of Membership
C12.1 No Club shall terminate its membership of the League unless it shall have given two full Seasons notice in writing to the Secretary to the effect that it shall terminate its membership. Once given, a written notice of termination of membership may not be revoked or withdrawn by the Club except with the approval of the Company in General Meeting.
June 17, 2012 at 7:10 am
stephen mc graw
hi phil…as a newco i assume they will have to have auddited accounts and signed off with independent auditors to show financial stability before gaining entry to the sfl/spl
June 16, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Jake
TBF it would be more of a punishment than I’ve been expecting them to get so it may be an acceptable compromise to most of Scottish fitba.
The difficulty with this is what sort of “mechanism” do they invent for it? Is it a retrospective 80 point penalty for last season that sees der hun relegated, presumably meaning Dunfermline get a reprieve? Or is it a close-season punishment demotion which creates a second promotion place which presumably goes to Dundee???
Either solution would result in one very pissed off club (Dundee or Dunfermline) who believe they’ve missed out on a place that should’ve been theirs and (given the precedent set by der hun recently) could take the SPL/SFA to court over it.
Whatever the final decision is over Zombie Hun FC it’s going to be a messy solution that has repercussions for Scottish fitba for years to come.
June 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm
scoots
no pleasing some people , regan can,t wait to get at them . they have already cost the s.f.a. loss of some sponsorship £,s .the governing body has had it,s hands tied by the s.p.l. and thier self preservation policies . TIME FOR CHANGE !
June 16, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Larkybhoy85
No surprise that the talk of mergers has been going on for months then a Newco comes along and the SFA are trying to fast track it.Would suit them to relegate them from SPL with the new merger in place as just now if they get chucked out SPL they would have to apply for 3rd division but with merger would have given SPL the authority to let them go to division 1.A question Phil.Are the newco still liable for the 12 month transfer embargo?
June 16, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Martin
See that the SFA are frantically trying to unite the SPL and SFL so that this scenario can be played out.How ironic that when Rangers died their manager was FATALLY.
June 16, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Neil
The game is over, the cheats can cheat and get away with it, the bullies can keep on bullying and we should just sit at the back of the bus.
I say to “every” Scottish football fan, get right behind the NO TO NEWCO, you have paid good money over the last 10-15 years to watch a rigged game.
To me it sounds as if its still rigged, pressure needs to be put on Doncaster, Regan and every football Club chairman in Scotland.(Is Ogilvie still there)
Are we just to sit back and let them back in with no penalties.
Remember this…the hand shake brigade who are working behind the scenes are laughing at you all, they have taken the piss for years and are laughing that they might get a wee slap on the wrist and back into SPL2. DONT LET THIS HAPPEN
Phil, Matt McGlone, RTC, Alex Thomson, Mark Daly, Rhebel Rhebel, CQN, et all, please keep the pressure on these despicable cheats and make sure they never come back till they say SORRY!
Let them go to hell.
KTF
June 16, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Ben mcginlay
Nothing surprises me with this whole debacle. SPL and the SFA will bend over backwards to suit this mob.And that is what they are, they have ducked and dived throughout since administration. There is no sense of remorse and no inkling of them taking their punishment. Again everyone with a connection to the Huns are all singing from the same hymn sheet. I think it is all part of a master plan that if they repeat the same views people will get used to the idea of less punishment and that they have been persecuted for people who are no longer at the club. I am starting to think they will get away with the prize, thus turning Scottish Football into a complete joke. I think Celtic shoud again court the English FA. I would happily start at the bottom to get away from this MOB. They can shove their league and their sectarianism. This has just confirmed to me and a lot of others what this country is all about. I couldn’t be more angry.The best wee country in the world, my F#####g arse.
June 16, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Liam57
The President of the SFA is one of the chief tax law offenders; if anyone is an expert on rule-bending, it’s him.
June 16, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Stuart
People need to start emailing the SFA and telling them to get this NewCo to f*ck down to the 3rd division (in slightly politer words than that, of course!) Here’s the email address:
info@scottishfa.co.uk
Email them, let them know how you feel about this ridiculous situation. Get others to do the same. Contact your club and do the same.
That shower have cheated and dragged Scottish football through the mud and starting in the 3rd division is the very best they deserve. Even then they will be screwing over other teams who’ve waited years to get into the SFL. Teams such as Spartans, for example, who’ve been waiting for FIVE years to get into the SFL. Now to likely be swept aside so a NewCo can take their place.
Get writing folks.
June 16, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Kenny McCaffrey
Good grief – please say it ain’t so Phil, but as you’re usually not wrong I guess that’s it.
I’ll certainly write to the SFA as suggested above, but I think it may also be a good idea to send a succinct report on what’s gone on to some PROPER media outlets, esp in London, so this story can be heard properly and the SFA et al can be shown up properly. I live in London and NO ONE knows the story.
Has anyone wondered why Alex Thomson seems to be the only England-based journalist covering this scandal (remember that word folks?)? Most think it is another version of the old green v orange story – which most shy away from these days. It patently is not, so can someone please tell them. Phil?
June 16, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Dannybhoy1976
Agreed entirely Stuart, I posted this on the last thread, we need to bombard the SFA and make sure they are fully aware of the depth of feeling on this matter!
For what I am about to say, I think it is only fair that I admit to not being a fan of Rangers Football Club, however I have been a massive fan of football since I was three years old, and as the rule that no player is bigger than the club goes, then I think it duly proprtionate that no club is bigger than the game…
Rangers FC (1872) is the most despicable represantation of it’s kind on Planet Football. From its flagrant long-term exclusion of non-Protestant players, (and in particular Catholic), through to its more recent abuse and neglection of almost every rule under footballing and civil duties, then I beg anyone to argue that we are dealing with the most abhorrent entity ever to ‘grace’ the name of sport?
Whilst football has undoubtedly become a ‘business’ over the last twenty years or so, then even businesses have to be guided by principles, of which RFC appear to have had none. Above and way beyond this, at the heart of fans at every football club throughout the world, football remains a sport, and a sport VERY close to not only their individual hearts, but to the hearts of their communities. Sport without integrity is nothing, and the purpose is therefore defeated…
Other sports with integrity have punished their cheats, (sometimes appearing harshly so), but rules are there to be enforced by governing bodies, not to be broken by the bad boy in the class at will…Athletes have been rightly stripped of medals for having been found to have taken a banned performance enhancing substance, golfers have been excluded from tournaments for posting incorrect scores, (even when they have posted scores higher than they actually scored!?), and F1 drivers have been demoted to the back of the grid for what appears to be the slightest infringement of the rules.
With the above points in mind, I implore you not to destroy the ideals which I have held so close since a child…if Rangers are allowed to effectively cheat their peers, the game itself, and society in general, and emerge with little more than a new name and a slap on the wrists, then my faith in football, sporting integrity, and of life in general will be gone.
As far as I see it, your role in Scottish football is to govern ALL clubs, and to ensure that each and every one abides by the rules without fear or favour. Following the recent exclusions of Spartans FC from the Scottish Cup for such an apparently minor misdemeanour as missing a signature from a form, then surely such a similar fate cannot possibly justify the atrocities which Rangers FC have imposed upon our national game?!
Whilst I am fully aware of the financial implications which the loss of Rangers FC to the Scottish game may have, I am fully of the belief that any relentance to punish this club on behalf the of the Scottish Football Authorities would send the wrong signals out to not only any other member clubs looking for a way out of their financial difficulties, but to the entire world which is looking closely at our little corner of the planet to see how we deal with the mess into which we have been dragged by one club’s self-importance and greed.
I await the outcome of this ongoing saga with a vested interest as a fan of football in Scotland, and feel I should make it clear that if sporting integrity is not the uppermost thought in EVERY decision taken regarding our national game, then my love of football in Scotland will die, and Scottish football will surely follow.
I therefore beseech you, as the guardians of our game, to ensure that integrity is uppermost in any decisions to be made, not only to convince the fans of our member clubs that our game remains above all a sport, but to convince the wider global audience that we are indeed the best small country in the world, where decisions will be taken without fear or favour, and hell mend those who choose to flagrantly flout the rules…
June 17, 2012 at 6:19 pm
greenallover
This is now getting ridiculous.Anything other than division three is pandering to the peepil.Debt free in division one for what will be,no doubt,one season is tantamount to sanctioning cheating.If i thought for one minute that Celtic were in any way in on this i would not renew my season book.What is the point in having rules?Lets be honest here,the press are down playing this whole liquidation process.Still called rangers,still at ibrox,still in blue with the same badge!Wonder if the songs will change?
June 16, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Ben mcginlay
I think all Celtic fans and fair minded people will be thinking exactly the same thing. Beggars belief. We shouldn’t be surprised though
June 16, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Auldheid
Not an unexpected development and ok if
a) investigations into two contracts are completed and punishment applied in the form of titles withdrawn if Rangers (IL) were guilty
b) Oglive and Doncaster resign and only one body is reponsible for the game so that there is no more pass the parcel avoidance of issues.
c) the loop holes (like is licensing discretionary) are examined and closed so that all clubs are clear on what happens when they break/fail to comply with the rules
d) club licensing is strengthened and policed and reported on in public
e) referreing is overhauled and monitoring separated from training and appointing.
June 16, 2012 at 5:21 pm
geegsy67
the games a bogey; ruined by them peepul; what chance do we have with this blatent dishonesty and currupt regime in all the high places….NFC
June 16, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Ben mcginlay
Absolutely agree 100%
June 16, 2012 at 5:38 pm
frank
what would happen if new club 2012/2013,have a team full of teenagers and get relegated to sfl,2 then sfl,3.do they get help.just a thought.all msm seem to think that if the new club get put into sfl,3that it is automatic promotion.lol
June 16, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Manus
Tee hee
June 16, 2012 at 5:05 pm
MWD
Uncharted Waters?
Na Phil. This is a process of recharting waters to fit the depth of your hull.
June 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm
frank d
IF THERE IS ANY JUSTICE ( DON’T THINK SO) THIS IDEA WILL BE BLOWN OUT OF THE UNCHARTED WATERS
June 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm
damien mcinerney
sounds fair to me,. I should add that I am a gulible fool with no wits about me
June 16, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Angie
Well I’m not surprised. SFA will bend over backwards for this Newco, despite dual contracts, despite RFC(IL) not paying their taxes. SFA need to take a long hard look at themselves! SFA, Rangers (IL) – This is Scotlands Shame!!! Cheats should NEVER Prosper!!!! But they do when they are RED, WHITE & BLUE
June 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm
JohnBhoy_67
Usual kop out by those running Scottish football.
Given the extent of crimes by old co, the new company The should start at best in SFL3.
Rumours in last few days that Sky would accept The in SFL1 but not SFL3 would appear to have some credence.
If this comes to pass there must be points and financial penalties for a number of seasons when they enter the SPL for the first time.
June 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm
seanthesheep
but will sfl1 be the new TOP division?
June 16, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Mouldy67
What happened to sfl3 surely this is an integrity issue also
June 16, 2012 at 4:54 pm
paddyrebs
Bit of rule bending for the newco no surprise there phil still same men at the top!! no matter there still dead lol keep up the great work HAIL HAIL.
June 16, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Andybhoy
Rangers (L) getting there own way,,not uncharted waters,,same old same old.
June 16, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Stuart
Never gonna happen unless they alter the league set up which is what they are trying to do.
SPL kicks off in what? Seven weeks? Considering how long it took the SFA to take action against that liquidated club and the slowness with which the SPL move, how likely is it they would be able to put a new league structure in place in less than two months?
Even if The Rangers were given a place in the First Division under the current set-up, who is going to give up their place to allow them in?
June 16, 2012 at 4:52 pm
iain
Dundee would be more than please you would assume
June 16, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Bobb
Tv deal tops integrity..what’sthe point with the uneven playing field.
June 16, 2012 at 4:50 pm
hokeypokey
Phil, I can smell a compromise here to keep Sky in the picture.
June 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm
margaret mcneil
Sounds like a compromise to appease Sky. Do what I did, cancel the subscription to Sky, I am fed up of them dictating to me, a customer, what games people in Scotland are watching. Fed up of the stranglehold Newco and Sky have on the game in Scotland, enough is enough. Withoutthe fans football is nothing, without the customers so is Sky.
June 16, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Steven Doyle
Get them to feck
June 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm
SReilly
2012/13 theseason pf the Tainted first division title
June 16, 2012 at 4:47 pm