It is still difficult to quantify the long term consequences of the decision made yesterday by Lord Glennie.
However, one thing is clear.
Duff & Phelps have a scored the type of own goal that will have an impact on Scottish football long after they have left the scene.
It is perhaps a result of the trauma they have been through since mid-February that this court ruling was seized upon by Rangers supporters as a great victory.
It isn’t.
What lord Glennie noted was that the 12 month transfer embargo was not available to the SFA as a sanction.
The explicit punishments stated in the SFA’s rule 66 are a maximum £100,000 fine, suspension or expulsion from participation in the game, ejection from the Scottish Cup or termination of membership.
The fine has already been imposed, but was considered by the original tribunal to be insufficient for the crimes committed by the Ibrox club.
Lord Glennie inserted the crucial caveat at the end of his ruling.
He told Rangers that they should not expect a lighter punishment when their case is re-assessed by the Appellant Tribunal.
I called a member of the SFA’s 100 strong “taxi rank” of judicial panel members.
He told me that it was his understanding that the case would go back to Lord Carloway, Allan Cowan and Craig Graham.
Lord Glennie did not find in Rangers favour regarding their guilt.
He was not asked to do so.
Therefore the Ibrox club remain guilty of what the original judicial panel report stated that, in their view, “only match fixing in its various forms might be a more serious breach” than the financial irregularities committed by Rangers.
The report, mainly authored by chairman Gary Allan QC, revealed that the tribunal had considered suspension of membership of the SFA to be an “appropriately severe punishment”, but had, in the final analysis, deemed it “too severe”.
The Appellant Tribunal under Lord Carloway concurred.
Now they have to look again at the sanctions that are written down under Rule 66.
There is little wriggle room and Rangers are not off the hook on this one.
What also could happen now is that the SFA can take action against the Ibrox club for seeking redress in the civil courts.
If the domestic association decides to turn a blind eye to this then FIFA have already issued a strong statement.
They want the SFA to act on Rangers for going outside the normal football channels.
Quite simply if the guys at Hampden don’t move on this one then FIFA will want a word with Mr Regan!
That this is all unfolding as “the great administrator” Campbell Ogilvie is SFA president is wonderfully ironic.
Frankier
Joe, thanks for the information regarding the CVA. It sets the mind a wee bit at rest, for the moment anyway. You never know what loopy tricks the masons can get up to.
June 2, 2012 at 12:28 am
Kevin Gallagher
Phil, as you will know FIFA have asked the SFA for a report on the circumstances surrounding the recent case taken by Rangers to the Court of Session.
I think that FIFA need to receive an independent report relating to events as well as full details of all the other misdemeanours committed by Rangers. FIFA also need to be made aware of the ridiculous situation involving Campbell Ogilvie.
This needs someone with a full grasp of the facts and who can get those facts over in the proper manner.
Phil, the man to make such a report to FIFA is you. I would urge you on behalf of all true football supporters to make such an approach to FIFA – I believe the timing is now right.
June 1, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Joe miller
Think your worrying is a wee bit premature frankier! A successful CVA is dependant on the dark side Being in all competitions. Even when the SFA don’t have the balls to expell them form the association, at the very least they will be banned from the cup, making a CVA impossible. The SFA have nowhere to hide! And if the SPL expect us to believe that a top law firm in Glasgow couldn’t find evidence of side letters, and that an investigative journalist from the BBC could then the backlash from the other 11 clubs will be a lot worse than anything rapeepul could do. This has the potential to drive tens of thousands of supporters away from Scottish football never to return.
P.S. God bless you investigative journalists !
June 1, 2012 at 5:33 pm
thecastings
Forgor to say in my previous post , what is “Project William” would be good if Daly had further emails to investigate this , it infers a game plan IMHO.
June 1, 2012 at 1:32 pm
thecastings
I’m the same Phil , missing your daily( sometimes more) dialogue already. If Rangers (IA) squirm out of this then we can forget football.I am very wary of deals being done under the counter. Whyte is far too quiet for my liking and very little being said about the fact that Greens millions are only a loan. FIFA must surely force the SFA to punish them at least. Can anyone explain what happens to the fines anyway , do they just go in the pot with the other crdeitors.
June 1, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Frankier
You’re keeping the head down a bit Phil in the past couple of days. This has me slightly worried. Could it be that we are all in for a disappointment soon? It certainly looks that way to me.
June 1, 2012 at 11:25 am
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Well if that’s how it looks to you then that’s good enough for me….
June 1, 2012 at 11:57 am
JimBhoy
I reckon PMG, CW, CG, Paul Le Guen and one of the D&P boys are actually all one in the same… All working to the same endgame
Have you seen them in a room at the same time? Must be true.
Seeing a lot mentioning 12th July 2012 as a significant date for Rangers, ie when they will be reborn or have won the battle. Again more bluster to draw in the core element based on historical inaccuracies.
Keep up the great work in bringing the faithful the “facts” Phil
June 1, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Neil
Frankier,
Let,s try some reverse psychology, if you were a bear with a brain ( I know they are few and far between), what do you realistically think the outcome will be? remember that the creditors are being asked to accept 0,03p in the pound for a CVA to be approved.
Why not wait for the asset sale and get more money back than the 0,03p originally on offer!
Asset sale will be “post” liquidation, also the football season is finished, people are on holiday, things are not moving as fast as the rest of us who work 52 weeks of the year
KTF
June 1, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Finnharp
Phil,
Take a look at whos on the list, they are deciding on the Euro as we speak: http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-2012-the-official-list-of-participants/
Hail Hail
Finnharp
June 1, 2012 at 3:29 am
Frankier
No War – SNP and BNP. Two sides of the same coin. What about Christine Graham’s “f”cking fenians” rantings? No different from the racist bile of Griffen. Salmond didn’t even condemn the assault on Lennon by one of his fellow supporters or the “Celtic should go to Dublin to play” jibe from that other Hearts/Rangers bigot, the drunken Lord Foulkes of Cumnock. They don’t pull the wool over my eyes.
June 1, 2012 at 12:47 am
Margaret Hart
I think you will find that the SNP arent anything like the BNP, the BNP are racist and arch unionists same as labour, libdems, tories & UKIP.
Take the labour party for example, i posted links to the catholic observer which raised questions about labour trading votes for reviewing their parades policy. Must have been a quick turn around on that promise since there is to be 20 orange marches this sunday and as it turns out the labour council have also funded the orange orders jubilee street parties with £2000 (will be in the herald tomorrow).
taking the SNP out of the equation, independence is still a good thing and it is supported by more than just SNP members. its up to you tho you can either be nationalist or you can be be a british unionist.
June 1, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Jim Melvin
Phil,
I have a different slant on this and/or maybe others feel the same. It is inconceivable that experienced administrators working in a football club, with an ex CEO of a Football League club would be unaware of the consequences of the CoS & FIFA. Therefore I would suggest that in doing so and in having Lord Glennie demand a review, FIFA are involved which puts the SFA in such a position as to potentially have to suspend or even terminate RFC in order to appease FIFA a la Sion.
My thoughts are that Duff and Phelps/Green and Rangers then go to liquidation and blame the SFA/FIFA on the basis that the timing was so bad that it destroyed the chance of the CVA working, and remember that RFC never asked the media in Scotland to advertise that they could not go to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, or the Judge or the SFA. It can be no coincidence that Duff and Phelps released the CVA almost at the same time as the court furore and to paraphrase K Jackson it almost slipped ” under the radar”. That will appease the mindless hordes who always need a target of hate,and whilst Sandy organises a march to Nyon,allows the assets to be sold off and for Mr Whyte to potentially gain.
In the meantime Mr Green who has lost some of 20 investors and was unable to put in the money required last week despite D&P allegedly having seen proof of the £20m funding in the bank. Therefore is it not possible that Green has simply given them enough money to get through next month in order to complete the scenario above as liquidation looms? If so the question has to be why choose Green and is there any connection with D&P/Whyte given the speed of his rise in which he could be renamed Lazarus! Their only out is if the CVA was to be accepted, then Green agrees to accept the original sanctions in order to remove the FIFA threat and in doing so could spin the story with the help of the Traynors and the Jacksons that he is now a hero as both he and Rangers have accepted unjust sanctions for the benefit of the SFA and Scottish football with great dignity, and that having helped the SFA plus Celtic and Motherwell to stay in Europe they will expect similar from other clubs.
The downfall may be that, if the CVA fails as it is almost certain to do with 0.03p in the pound, they have now given the SFA the opportunity to say that they had to take action and it was FIFA’s fault.
Well there it is anyway- any views?
June 1, 2012 at 12:18 am
Neil
1.SFA Will ban them from a cup, but not suspend their fellow brothers.
2.Double contarct will be all in order so no case to answer
3.SFA,dum dumber will be given the whole summer to sort out
4.SFA allow them to play in league next season till it’s sorted.
Q. Have starnger things happened?
None of these would surprise me and the moon is made of cheese.
June 1, 2012 at 8:57 am
Simon
The SFA has said it will not appeal against the Court of Session’s verdict in the Rangers case because it would damage the principle of sporting associations conducting their own disciplinary matters.
“The right of appeal is now open to the Scottish FA through the Court of Session. However, by so doing, the very principles on which the Scottish FA – and, for that matter, UEFA and FIFA – are founded, namely football disciplinary matters being dealt with within its own jurisdiction, would be fundamentally compromised.
“Therefore, it is our intention to accede to Lord Glennie’s request and refer the matter back to the Appellate Tribunal, which will consider the remaining sanctions open to it. Details of a new hearing date will be confirmed in early course.”
The SFA have lit the fuse paper, they cannot make up new sanctions but they certainly can enforce existing ones:
EXPULSION HERE WE COME.
May 31, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Neil
Who is willing to bet against me that the EBT documents that Rangers (IA) sent to the authorities are the doctored ones that have taken three months to fiddle?
I think we will find out that all paper work is in place and we were all wrong!
Off course we were all right, but the brotherhood has fudged it, why else would the authorities give them 3 months and it took promoting from a BBC documentary to get their arses into gear.
scam,sham,shame
The country is bent and John Know has a lot to answer for
May 31, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Neil
sorry that should be John Knox!
May 31, 2012 at 9:14 pm
JohnnyF
My great concern is that many in Scotland still seem to be running scared from a crippled Rangers. If you take a surface reading of all puffs over the last few days we have Duff & Phelps trying to push all creditors into acceptance in order to exert pressure on HMRC; the SFA still seems to be a neutered beast which still obeys its historical masters; the SPL seem paralysed; the Scottish media (BBC excepted ironically) still struggle to be incisive, impartial and lack the journalistic integrity to expose what is happening here.
Now we hear that Mr Green is asking for a meeting with the SFA to “discuss” Rangers’ punishment subsequent to Lord Glennie’s judgement; this seems to me that Rangers are now wishing to tell the SFA what punishment they should be giving Rangers!
Are they going to get out of this scot-free?
May 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Alec
Why are these guys showing any confidence in obtaining the CVA? I was very sure that it was an impossibility given HMRC’s rules but the longer this goes on with the likes of Doncaster trumpeting about the likelihood of a CVA I am beginning to think that deals have indeed been struck!
May 31, 2012 at 6:29 pm
jim wood
Most Celtic fans will not vote SNP (in my opinion) as they are just so anti-catholic/Irish.Lest you forget there are numerous articles on line to support my stance look at allegations against Graham by numerous sources etc.
I could never support an independence organisation who are looking for an anti Irish/catholic orange state-let. This will be the way most of us see it.
If the independence movement persist on posting I would urge you to block Phil. They are looking for a new Ulster Scots homeland and are appealing to this lowest common denominator to achieve it. Do not be fooled by the rhetoric of the reasonable, judge them by their actions and whom they allow to be in positions of authority .
I hate talk of this type of politics on sites like these. Keep at them Phil.
May 31, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Frankier
An independant Scotland would be even worse than what we have at the moment. There would be record unemployment and even more poverty. There is not one person in this country’s so-called parliament who would be elected in any other country in the world. We had the sickening sight of wee cuddly Salmond cow-towing to Cardinal O’Brien for a couple of years when he got in by the one seat (i.e.via the catholic vote) but then did a complete somersault (that is why his face is so fat now) to pander to “the other side” when he realised they must have voted in numbers for him when he had the landslide victory.
There is no other country in this planet where the shambles and corruption that is happening down Govan way, not to mention the tax evasion, would be condoned by it’s first minister. I don’t wish to live in a country run by freemasons and the orange order. We saw what happened when the masonic brethren, including three members of parliament, fought for thomas hamilton to get his gun licence back. Anyway, the SNP are well known in the past to be anti-Catholic. SNP? No different from the BNP as far as I can see.
May 31, 2012 at 4:43 pm
No War
Frankier
Atleast get your facts straight. There’s a clear distinction between the SNP and BNP. The latter are headed by Griffin, someone who subscribes to anti immigration and fascism. They represent everything that’s unhealthy (a bit like their brethren at Ibrox)
In fairness the SNP believe in inclusivity and ethnic assimilation. New Labour however caused a great deal of Islamaphobia through their invasion of Iraq. They are unionists, war criminals and completely discredited.
May 31, 2012 at 11:26 pm
micky burt
I keep saying this but it just gets better and better, der hun are squirming and their silence is deafening HH Phil
May 31, 2012 at 3:26 pm
joe burt
Hey Mikey there the gift that just keeps giving.
GBNL
May 31, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Garibaldi
When RFC(IA) went to Court to challenge the SFA penalty on the transfer ban, Lord Glennie seems to have based his decision on a technicality within the disciplinary rules. When the SFA brought in the new system all teams had the opportunity to question the part which gave the SFA flexability to apply a penalty not specifically listed, what should have happened is a clear explaination giving possible examples should have been issued for all teams to understand, what I find odd is no-one seems to have questioned this ‘power’ that would now exist, until RFC(IA)are hit with a penalty they don’t want. It will very interesting to see what happens next.
May 31, 2012 at 3:22 pm
jimCB
I agree with Margaret vote independance and take a stand for a free Scotland that can deliver a more ‘european’ society where bigotry can be marginalised. Its the first step to a really socialist fairer society.Religion is and has been used to divide us for so long.The powers that be are quite happy with the status quo.
May 31, 2012 at 2:38 pm
letthepeoplesing1967
Has any of the MSM asked Mr Murdo Fraser (MSP) what his take is on the CVA Proposal offered to him by D&P… Remember Mr Fraser is a stake-holder/owner of RFC(IA) who writes on officially headed parlimentary note paper, listing what committees he is on, but is making these points as a supporter of RFC(IA) asking for special dispensation for his team???? His input would be most appreciated as would Ms McAlpines… And no doubt all their concerned constituents
May 31, 2012 at 11:42 am
Neil
On the Celtic website for buying season tickets, do they already know something……
**Applies to Under-13 Opt-out and Under-13 Special Season Tickets which exclude games against Rangers FC (or a successor to it).
surely not for games against Dunfermline or Dundee
May 31, 2012 at 10:46 am
gerard reilly
” FARCE” , sfa = clueless, uefa ? , fifa ? all noise but no action , CELTIC F.C., MUST vote to get rid of those swindling bsterdz BIG TIME ! and what happened to the so called meetin with walter mitty claimed he was having with peter lawell on , 28th may ???
May 31, 2012 at 9:39 am
No War
There’s been some references to political parties here lately. The Labour Party are war criminals. They collectively supported the bombardment and slaughter of civilians in Iraq/Afghanistan.
The people who voted John Reid into paradise simply have no place there. They are not Celts.
May 30, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Margaret Hart
@No War
At the moment I am trying to open the eyes of Celtic supporters that vote labour. I dont understand how so many can claim to be Irish nationalist supporters, yet not support Scottish nationalism and vote Unionist. It makes no sense to me. Labour are the party of lies. Courting the Irish catholic vote while doing deals with the orange order.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/20-orange-parades-in-city-to-mark-queens-jubilee.17737669
So much for their historic parades policy, 1st sign it would mean that they would lose their stranglehold on Glasgow and they capitulated by prostrating themselves to the orange order begging for their votes and pormising to change it (as is seen by the 20 parades that will take place this weekend for the jubilee)
Dont get me wrong i understand why so many arent thrilled with Scotland, my husband lived through the abuse of being a ‘fenian’. If you actually think about it, this devide is perpetuated to keep the country divided so we wont vote for independence (much the same with the six counties but with alot less bombs). Obviously they dont need to worry about the god save the queen brigade voting for independence because they are brits. Its us pesky Celtic supporting, nationaist/republican thing people that are the problem. So what to do? Make sure they dont realise labour are Unionist (which they are) and keep them feeling alienated from this country so they will never care enough to vote for Independence.
May 31, 2012 at 10:42 am
Danny
Phil, love the articles, they have armed me with great knowledge on this whole sorry saga and have also helped me inform quite a few members of the ibrox klan when they spout nonsense about this.
Just a quick question, what do you and others on here think about Celtic considering a move to the Eredivisie or the Primeira Liga as mentioned in this article:
http://thefootballlife.tumblr.com/post/24054244561/should-celtic-stay-or-should-they-go
May 30, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Jack K
those 10,000 (ahem) loyal loyal rangers till they die fans must feel very stupid at marching to protest outside an empty building against the 12 month embargo. Now they are facing being booted right out of the game. Silly silly Billys.
May 30, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Paulmc67
What worries me is the indepedent panel has said that a suspension or expulsion would be too severe so does this mean it would be difficult to pass this as a punishment now? If they did I can see it going back to court?
May 30, 2012 at 9:50 pm
dombhoy67
There has arisen in this wee country of ours an element of sinister people that believe themselves to be better than anyone else; nae superior to anyone else. They are cocky, smug, self righteous, arrogant, selfish, bigoted, greedy untrustworthy, racist, narrow minded, devious, hateful, spiteful, xenophobic, sectarian, violent and proud…and that’s on a good day. Now I’m not saying that every one of them are members of Ran*ers F.C or are member’s of the Orange Order or even the Masonic Lodge for that matter. I have also noticed that the vast majority of these types of people do tend to be easily led by patriotism, jingoism and the lowest common right wing hedonistic denominators in society namely the above. they have no altruistic willingness to question decisions of authority and can be easily manipulated into action especially if the common motivation is hate. For example Irish-ness, Celtic F.C, Hibernian F.C. the colour Green, Catholicism, The Pope, Decisions against them, etcetera, etcetera, and as a consequence have moulded their whole identity around their leaders (whom they trust without question to the point of self destruction) and the ‘enemy’ against whom they can vent their hate as a substitute for love and understanding. I would like to think that we are seeing the death rattle of this type of human being and that our great grand children will be free of these sub-humans but…and its a big but…it all depends on the questions we ask and the actions that we take during our lifetime…now… today…that will ensure such an environment with which our children and grandchildren will grow and flourish carefree and loving. For to do nothing against evil is to condone evil. You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one.
May 30, 2012 at 9:22 pm
tambutnotbam
Phil, Its quite concerning what is going on behind closed doors between Neil Doncaster and HMRC/Ticketus.
Here`s the evidence;
Neil Doncaster 22-5-12 ; “There is certainly a distinction between a CVA and a newco, without any doubt.
“But newcos have been allowed within UK football for many years. Newco is typically the way that businesses in general escape from administration – it is far more common than a CVA route”.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////
Neil Doncaster 30-5-12, today ; “But I think it is important to stress that there is no newco application for us (to consider).
“There is a CVA proposal which have gone to creditors and on that basis we are not anticipating a newco proposal to come forward.”
Neil has been getting up to something behind closed doors.It stinks.
May 30, 2012 at 8:57 pm
LogicAl
Having dismissed the available options open to it as either too lenient or harsh, the original SFA Panel went down a poor road by “inventing” a suitable punishment. That this has since been confirmed by L.Glennie leaves the SFA with a job to do in convincing the watching world that the punishment they do eventually dish out is worthy of the misdemeanours committed by Der H*n.
All moot, of course, if they follow UEFA & FIFA Rules on National Association Members going to Law. I hope someone in the SFA is trawling through their extensive Library to find a big enough book to throw at them over that one.
Der H*n’s devilishly cunning plan to bring us all down with them must be thwarted.
May 30, 2012 at 8:46 pm
johnb
Guys, I hope somebody at Celtic is looking beyond this case. I reckon we should be making overtures to connect with Carlisle in a friendly or even hostile takeover, gradually moving our first team there and maybe renaming them Carlisle Celtic. We can leqave a team in whatever’s left of the SPL but our energies would be to get promotion for CC year on year. I’d be happy to go down the M74 every second week and if lucky watch the SPl Celts every 2nd week too. Hey, I know there’s mega problems but staying here is no longer a long-term option, the sooner we do something like this the sooner we may be better able to realise our huge potential when competing in the EPL. Better do it quick in case wee Alex gets his separation!
May 30, 2012 at 8:41 pm
aldobhoy67
Iain nice to see ur still alive and well, unlike ur dirty rotten cheating team.
Tick tock tick tock tick tock times running out.
May 30, 2012 at 8:38 pm
royster
Phil, I am going to sleep for 1 year. Yes i know i will miss the magic of celtic having agreat run past the champions league stages , however at that point all will be right with justice and honesty having prevailed! Whenever your holiday is, you deserve a good one. Hail Hail.
May 30, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Finnharp
Phil, check out Charlie Skeltons of channel 4 article in todays paper:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/charlie-skelton
Also see Alex Thomson is currently over in Syria hope he returns home safe and well.
Hail Hail
Finnharp
May 30, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Lone_Wanderer
Rangers were charged with bringing the game into disrepute for not paying PAYE etc and other clubs. They could not do that hence they went into administration.
How many other clubs have been in this position, a helluva lot and they have not had punishment dished out that was not in the rule book.
The SFA broke their own rules by meeting out a punishment that was not available. Why did they not let Rangers go to the CAS.
What people have to remember is these charges were nothing to do with EBTs etc and therefore the SFA should have acted accordingly and gave Rangers a punishment within the rule books.
The panel themselves said expulsion would have been too excessive and I think this will still stand and I believe they will be kicked out of the Scottish Cup.
The big question should be aimed at the SFA for their handling of all this.
Paul McBride said that the SFA’s rule book was a farce when he defended Neil Lennon and the SFA should have taken this on board and looked at it instead of sitting on their asses.
May 30, 2012 at 7:08 pm
FinnHarp
Phil, As all this RFC saga unfolds we have got to keep an eye on whats going on in Chantilly, Va USA as the Builderburg Group are holding their annual meeting that will decide how and where we work, bank, sleep etc, way more important to us than whats going on at Ibrox. (infowars.c o m)
For a change of pace phil take a wee look into that group if you havent already.
Hail Hail
Finnharp
May 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Margaret Hart
@Gerry you need to vote for independence for scotland to be a proper country i’m afraid. as it is far too many celtic fans vote unionist labour who want us to remain Brits (this i really dont understand, how can celtic fans sing about getting the brits out then vote for them??)
the orange order support labour because they are the best way to keep britain together. they did however claim to have voted SNP in the scottish elections to scare the crap out of glasgow labour after their parades policy.
Gordon Matheson desperately prostrated himself to the Orange Order in order to win the local elections and cling to power in glasgow (where they do fuck all about poverty they just fill their own pockets). They promised to review their parades policy in return for their support, so if you are stuck behind an orange walk and you are a labour voter, well its your own bloody fault.
http://www.sconews.co.uk/news/18734/is-glasgow-planning-a-u-turn-on-orange-walks/
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/orange-order-lodges-support-for-labour-to-curb-snp-1.926891
May 30, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Lisbonlion72
Who sings “BRITS OUT” yah NUGGET!You been reading SMSM ?
May 30, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Margaret Hart
How i honestly see this playing out is either the SFA go for the lightest punishment of banning rangers from the cup, or they turn the gun on the whole of scottish football, thereby financially attacking celtic who would lose out on approx £15m so that they can try to bring celtic down to where rangers financially (course may take a few seasons to do that)
May 30, 2012 at 6:13 pm
joe
phil i fear the worst it will probaly end up with a scottish cup ban if it does i will never watch any scottish game again even my beloved celtic hope i am wrong but this bigoted country will keep them going keep the faith hail hail
May 30, 2012 at 5:35 pm
wastrel
Can’t help but think many of you are missing the point of this post, the spl have been told to act WITHIN it’s powers- there’s only 3 options left, huge fine- nope, can’t pay that, suspension or expulsion!! Yippee.
May 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm
gerrym
hi phil i only hope eufa and fifa know all about the sfa’s
presidents role in all this many thanks for all your work
May 30, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Lenny Bhoy
No surprise to see the followers of the Queen’s Underclass acting like the mob in downtown Chicago. They should realise that short term pleasure only brings long term pain, and a painful death of Dignity FC wouldn’t be grieved by many – probably very soon.
May 30, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Cosmic Truth
Phil what is you opinion onnwhat the sentence might eventually be?
Suspension would seem the only reasonable punishment, but I fear the Brigton Bully Boys will get a suspension from the Scottish Cup.
This would allow the SFAS to go through the charade of saying they’ve punished Rangers, but it wont bother Rangers too much, after all only fourteen thousand of them could be bothered to turn up for the Dundee United game.
Everybody’s happy, except for the supporters of clubs who haven’t cheated,and tried to bring down the game in this country that is.
May 30, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Thekwizatshaderach
If Rangers(IA) are liquidated, can the former club still be stripped of trophies?
May 30, 2012 at 2:26 pm
joe burt
Phil.
It has been the end game all along,now it will be the SFA who nail the coffin closed and not D&P or Mr Green it was always going to be a big bhoy did it and ran away.
May 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Liam57
We can see the Endgame coming – the SFA will point to FIFA as the Big Bad Wolf, threatening to keep Scots clubs out of Europe, so the best option is just to accept the original £100K fine as full and final justice and let Rangers back in the SPL, just for spite. End of.
May 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm
footballisfun
An avoidable train wreck?
A Scottish football club believed itself to be above all even the game itself and all would bow before it’s will. An observer laughed when they said, ‘wearrapeepul.’ This club was no a garden variety club, but was a famous club by the name of Dignity FC. Evidently they had started small; a late face painting fee here, an unpaid transfer fee there, and the occasional missed tax bill. Methodically they went about determining the largest scam they could get away with through sheer force of will.
The Scottish club came to believe that they could bend all to their will. And if required in extraordinary conditions of a direct threat to their organism, all reserves will be called into action, and even the mass of HMRC and The GAME would be deflected. With confidence, they tossed aside their briefcase kicked off their brown brogues and stepped into the Court of Session, with arms raised, head lowered, and body tensed, they waited. The Judge was quick to apply the emergency brakes, referring them back to their sporting administrators but momentum took its unswerving course.
As a child would know, FIFA/EUFA and THE GAME is more than a match for any club, and that fatal experiment was the end of the ‘distinguished’ club Dignity FC.
May 30, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Karen davidson
Well we all know Whytes word is gold :p
May 30, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Frankier
I had to laugh at the so-called legal expert (female) on Newsnight last night trying her best to offer succour to the gullible rankers’ followers. According to her, something is better than nothing to the creditors even if it is only a few pence in the pound. When questioned about the rankers’ assets reputed to be valued in excess of well over £100million she said that they wouldn’t realise that sum on the open market. Even so, if they only got one tenth of that (and I’ll bet Tesco would be happy to put in such an offer)it would be a
helluva lot better than the couple of million that will be on offer after D&P and the (caring) players have had their whack out of it. It would also make sure that if the creditors were left with very little then so would the thieving bustards who are trying to carry out another con trick on the taxpayers.
The male “legal expert” on the show announced that he wouldn’t like to be the one who had the job of demolishing I’broke. If he needs someone to do the dirty work I will be more than willing to do the job myself free of charge. I would love to see the 2011/2012 P60s of wee Wullie the doorman at I’mpox and wee Lizzie from the canteen just to see how much tax they have been credited with paying in that financial year.
May 30, 2012 at 1:23 pm
paddybhoy
Dignity F.C what a complete embarrassment to Scottish football,the S.F.A. will have to act soon, FIFA, UEFA and world football are watching them, the wounded animal that is Rangers has barked first,what’s the S.F.A.reply now…lick their own balls…no chance, the other big pack of dogs are looking on…time to lash out! Keep up the great work Phil!
May 30, 2012 at 1:22 pm
tambutnotbam
Duff and Phelps-Whyte commenting that neither UEFA or FIFA will dare poke their nose in after the Court of Sessions ruling yesterday (Herald).
May 30, 2012 at 1:08 pm
JimBhoy
Read this with interest…
http://www.accountancyage.com/aa/news/2180847/administrators-run-gbp179m-rangers
Like previously stated D&P and Green are gonna co-own the Rangers assets in liquidation but frankly i doubt very much that there will be any football from them ever again. I think the Blue Knights will be starting their own newco taking over a third division club or maybe Airdrie whatever league they are in.
May 30, 2012 at 12:54 pm
John Paul Maley
Phil.
The Big Tax Case outcome is yet to be announced. When will this be announced and what will the repercussions be for Rangers, whether they be a Newco or post CVA?
May 30, 2012 at 12:48 pm
iain
Oh what irony in Celtic minded defending the SFA after being shown in a court of law to be wrong and to have acted unlawfully!
Brilliant stuff!
May 30, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Stephen
WTF are you talking about? The SFA didn’t act unlawfully, in fact there was and is nothing “illegal” in imposing a 12 month transfer ban. All Lord Glennie ruled was that since there’s punishments already laid out within the rules the SFA should have chose one of them instead of coming to a compromise so they didn’t hand out sanctions that they felt were maybe too severe. I fail to see where the law has been broken there.
Now tax evasion on the other hand, that IS breaking the law, as is rioting in the streets of cities like Manchester and sending death threats to Neil Lennon and members of SFA panels. In fact RFC (in administration) and their halfwit fans are well acquainted with breaking the law.
I for one am delighted that the idiots masquerading as administrators took the matter to the civil court, they’ve just alerted world footballs governing body (FIFA) to Rangers whole murky situation. I’m sure when they go seeking an explanation from the SFA they’ll be informed of the shady (possibly illegal) takeover, 10 years of illegally abusing the EBT scheme in order to dodge paying tax, 9 months of deliberately withholding PAYE and NI payments, a string of other creditors from corner shops to face painters to other SPL clubs to European clubs and then the small matter of withholding players true salaries from the SPL when their contracts were registered.
Now all that is brilliant stuff!!!
May 30, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Lisbonlion72
Iain ,you really do represent the average Rangers (in administration) fan,don’t forget to tie your lace before you go out…DOH!
May 30, 2012 at 8:25 pm
andy
hi phil heard any news of peter lawell trying to access a ” nuclear option ” in the wake of this s.f.a. shambles. and what actually is a nuclear option?
May 30, 2012 at 11:58 am
Neil
you just press the big red button mate that’s say POP!
May 30, 2012 at 1:17 pm
shaggy
Get your kicks from Rule 66
May 30, 2012 at 11:57 am
Willie K
Put them out of their misery…..cut them loose. There is no other way now.
The sense of relief for everyone will be most welcome.
May 30, 2012 at 11:46 am
scarlet
I’m not much of a chess player but even I can think more than one move in advance. Surely someone at D&P, Green’s consortium, their army of lawyers and consultants, or even the fans must’ve sat down and thought, “What are the consequences of winning this appeal in a civil court?”
Rangers=suicide bombers
May 30, 2012 at 11:39 am
marti
The game in scotland is at a crossroad of whats right and fair versus financial gain.who will blink first?
May 30, 2012 at 11:38 am
Helen
I think the SFA may have played a blinder here. When they imposed the transfer embargo, they knew that Ran*ers would appeal it. Their own lawyer said in court yesterday that Ran*ers accept that a fine wasn’t punishment enough. Therefore the only punishment left open to them more severe than a fine, is suspension. Add to that the fact that FIFA have told them (more or less)to punish them again for taking it to court in the first place, means only 1 thing – EXPULSION!! The SFA will come out smelling of roses because FIFA have directed this course of action.
May 30, 2012 at 11:38 am
pearsesdad
Aren’t SFA now bound to ignore the court case and tell Rangers(IA) that the original punishment stands. If Rangers (IA) refuse to drop the objection then SFA have to suspend them.
May 30, 2012 at 11:32 am
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Lord Glennie has ruled that the transfer embargo was not a sanction that was available to the SFA judicial panel.
Hence the decision of the Appellant Tribunal in agreeing with the embargo was not competent.
The sanctions must be re-visited.
However the guilt of RFC has not been challenged.
They have brought the game into disrepute.
Now they have also sinned must heinously against football governance by seeking redress in the civil courts.
Own goal…
May 30, 2012 at 11:38 am
John Burns
Phil, surely now it is all about setting precedents.
When UEFA considered the Sion case, they knew that they could not lose it, as it would set a precedent and ‘open the floodgates’ to any future clubs taking the football law into their own hands.
They must take the same view again here, otherwise the Sion ruling could be challenged; I am sure certain Swiss people are watching carefully, they did not take kindly to being ‘bumped’ out of the Europa League by a Scottish club, and will look for their’”pound of flesh”, if possible.
The same has to be said in the case of the SFA. They must now apply a more severe punishment. If they don’t, and go for something like suspension from the Scottish Cup for one season; then they will themselves set a dangerous precedent – that being, if you don’t like the sanctions handed down by the governing body, take them to court and, regardless of your guilt, you will get a lighter punishment.
Rangers is a rapidly spreading cancer within the Scottish game. It must be cut out immediately.
May 30, 2012 at 11:32 am
James Harkness
Hi phil the beacher report had a cracking article last night but after reading it i posted it on CQN for all to read but it was took down after 25 minutes.
I emailed the company amd they gave this response any ideas.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1200816-ranger-fc-a-dying-club-determined-to-take-scottish-soccer-down-with-it
Hi *****
The article was only up on our site for about 25 minutes before we had to pull it back for sourcing concerns and contact the writer. If the writer can answer those sourcing concerns, we will be able to restore the article.
Best,
-Tim Coughlin
B/R Copy Editing
May 30, 2012 at 11:29 am
thecastings
Phil
Is it correct though that Rangers can choose not to implement Lord Glennies decision and they therefore keep the transfer embargo.
This surely would still result in punishment on top of this for bringing the case to court.
Please clarify
May 30, 2012 at 11:29 am
Gerry
Where to begin with this mess?
In a proper country this would be dealt with at a political governmental level.
Salmond was keen to plead on rangers behalf begging for clemency from HMRC to save ‘rangers proud traditions’ and yet is happy to stand idly by as Scotland’s reputation gets kicked to death.
The hypocrisy makes me feel sick.
Rangers should be removed from sport & removed from society.
They have hated & stolen & cheated for their entire existence.
We would all be better off without them and if Scotland was a proper country with a proper leader that’s exactly what would happen.
May 30, 2012 at 11:28 am
TonyD
The most delicious irony!
Mr Ogilvie should have declared himself ‘a conflict of interests’ and asked for garden leave until this sorry mess is addressed and not wait for his employers to do so.
It may transpire that Mr Ogilvie is charged by his master’s masters (FIFA) to fire the silver bullet that permanently puts this sick animal out of its misery.
It should’ve happened long ago but no-one had the balls.
May 30, 2012 at 11:27 am
Charles Patrick O'Brien
If Rangers hand back all that they “Won” during the times of dubious financial arrangements they may get a better “Deal”,otherwise the SFA must give them the heavy punishment,they cant be allowed to get away with what is a match fixing by financial arrangement.This will really finish off the game in Scotland,as why should any club care who they field,why pay any tax,some sort of justice must be seen to be done.
May 30, 2012 at 11:27 am
keighley bhoy
BIGOT FCs arrogance really does know no boundaries, who the hell is advising these knuckledragers, surly they new theyd end up in even deeper sh#te for taking the sfa to court, its unheard ov in any other FA that rule bending/breaking and a massive lack ov male genitals towards punishing a guilty club, only in the worst wee Masonic country in the world, heads hav got tae roll 4 this, i wont hold my breath tho, hail hail, GOD BLESS IE CELTIC+
May 30, 2012 at 11:26 am
Diaspora
Omnishambles!
May 30, 2012 at 11:25 am
Richie
….and we still don’t have the result of the FTT!
May 30, 2012 at 11:24 am
andrew murray
Hi Phil, just to ask what your take on this shambles affecting Celtic and other Scottish clubs in Europe maybe?
May 30, 2012 at 11:22 am
BMCUWP
A perfect storm unfolding?
May 30, 2012 at 11:20 am