The Kubler Ross model has never been more appropriate for Planet Fitba than now.
Today when I was observing the anguished outbursts from the blue half of Glasgow I thought that it must be increasingly difficult for supporters of the dead club to still cling to hope.
These interviews with Steven Whittaker and Steven Naismith indicate quite clearly that both these young men consider then club that they played for to be gone and a thing of the past.
Steven Naismith hoped that, for the sake of the fans, that there would be A club playing at Ibrox next season.
My information is that this is looking less and less likely.
I know that senior members of staff at Ibrox have been briefed to “expect a year out” and that there are just too many obstacles in front of the new club.
Some fans may feel a sense of betrayal at the actions of the two Stevens.
However, the club they played for with such distinction is now dead.
It has gone.
They have no loyalty to a football club just because the new outfit wishes to play at the same stadium of Rangers FC (1872-2012).
The more intelligent among the fan base will slowly start to move into the “Acceptance” stage.
The club is dead.
They should acknowledge that, perhaps in some public ceremony, and then move on.
It is important in such rituals for there to be a high degree of dignity.
I am sure that Elizabeth Kubler Ross would approve.
paul McCann
just a thought as the huns look like getting a year of they could go on holiday with ogilvie regan and doncaster as none of them would be missed any way
July 1, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Budbhoy
Dannybhoy
Thanks. Your view about the club and co. being one and the same was exactly how I viewed it until I read Paul McConvilles blog the link is on my post above. PMcC appears to be most knowledgeable on the subject. As I have said, things aren’t so just because we want them to be. I was looking for the absolute legal position, but there does not appear to be one.
June 26, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Kenny
You mention a public ceremony to mark the acceptance of the death, do you think one last old firm game would be fitting?
June 25, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Dannybhoy1976
Kenny, drop the ‘OF’ tag will you mate, we’ve been trying to rid ourselves of that for years and you’re not helping our cause!!
It’s essentially a MSM term to bind us and justify their ‘one’s as bad as the other’ mantra, and we need to distance ourselves from it as much as possible, (though I think they’ve managed that more than any concerted effort by CFC fans could ever have managed!)
June 26, 2012 at 12:59 am
Shiltrum
Phil
Question will this NewCo? be allowed to a vote in the meeting of 4th july?.
June 25, 2012 at 9:42 am
Bill
Phil,
I understand there is no truth in the story that the artist formerly known as Prince has been booked by the football team formerly known as Rangers. Wonder if he was supposed to sing or play football ?
cheers
June 25, 2012 at 9:05 am
Pedro
Letting Zombie Rangers back in to any division apart from… maybe… the 3rd would render Scottish Football useless. What Rangers did in the last 25 years has already reduced our game to a laughing stock. This is our chance to build something new, pure and without corruption. It cannot be allowed to happen ever again. Sporting integrity MUST be maintained and given precedence over any club. After all they WERE just a club. They are not an institution or any of the tripe the press would have us believe. The game must move on with integrity. After all we and every other Scottish club are far better off without them.
June 25, 2012 at 8:53 am
Declan
Phil, for the sake of my sanity can you look at this link (its from the governments insolvency page) and tell me if this brand new club can legally call themselves the rangers. It seems fairly straightforward that they cant and if so this lie being peddled that the rangers 2012 are actually rangers 1872-2012 will be mute as they will need to call themselves something totally different hammering home to the one or two who are in total denial that the old rangers 1872-2012 are finished.
Thanks link: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/pdfs/guidanceleafletspdf/reuseofcompanyname.pdf
June 25, 2012 at 8:26 am
Marching on Together
Declan
According to the link you provided, Sevco could use the “Rangers” trading name, so long as they carry out the procedure listed in ‘The First Exception’. In 2007 Leeds United did exactly what Rangers/Sevco are doing, and no-one ever raised an issue with them using the “Leeds United” trading name. I presume they carried out the appropriate notification at the time.
June 27, 2012 at 12:14 am
Kevin
Ally McCoist said in yesterday’s Sunday Mail: “The formation of a new company is not the issue. The players would be playing for the same club – Rangers – in front of the same fans”.
WRONG! The club that Ally played for and managed is now dead. It’s the newco club with no history which is why Steven Naismith and Steven Whittaker have said they don’t want to be part of it.
At least these two men know the difference between the old Rangers FC (1872) and the newco ‘Rangers’ (2012).
The sooner Ally and fans accept this, the better it is for them.
June 25, 2012 at 8:25 am
tom dolan
Just read this,Global warming caused by permarage of rangers fans.ie rangers fc (in liquidation)DEED.gone,brown bread,deceased,no more,extinct,catch ma drift?
June 25, 2012 at 7:30 am
joe burt
Phil
Happy Days, The exodus has started .One thought that came to me during the night what about Barnstead Utd,is the plan that they ressurect through them into engurland somewhere.
I remember a quote from long ago “our revenge shall be the laughter of our children”How very apt for the generations who had to tolerate so much,and did not live to see this day.
Keep up the great work Phil i cant wait for the game v aberdeen i think Celtic park will be full from lunch time and the atmosphere better than we have ever experienced.
K.T.F.
JOE
June 25, 2012 at 3:18 am
THEBHOYFROMTHEMOY
phil why is my comment awaiting moderation,am i a leper
June 25, 2012 at 2:58 am
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
If you think I will approve comments that are defamatory of other people then you are wrong.
I don’t have the time for this.
Keep it decent and legal or stay away.
Last warning.
June 25, 2012 at 9:58 am
lordmac
hi Phil, has Longmure got the right to offer more money to the first division, as a sweetener to allow a clear passage for a newco to enter, is there not a vote for moneys at the next meeting, and if they have money, is this money coming from another source, or is it from the SPL.if not why is this money not been made available before, to struggling clubs, the TV money that Rangers normally receive will off set the loss of gate receipts, and there are times when THE x RANGERS cost your club more than what they bring, as they have in the past wrecked toilets and seating, this parachute tactic should not be allowed to happen there is only one way new-co have to apply to the third division, this is not RANGERS any more here. and they should be made aware of this. the SFA are not slow in handing back forms that are not worded correctly. so they know the score about etiquette.
June 25, 2012 at 1:46 am
budbhoy
Phil
I believe you are right that the old club should be pronounced deid and that “the new club wi no name” may have to take a year or two out.
But there is so much dross and ambiguity throughout the web.
Paul McConvilles blog (below) is a very long read but looks to be about the most neutral and informative article I could find. Not sure if I totally agree with his take, but his research on the subject is outstanding.
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/why-rangers-fc-continues-even-in-newco-and-why-this-is-no-use-to-ceo-green/
Main questions being:
1. Rangers old co are the in the hands of the liquidators but not yet liquidated? Liquidation could take up to a year?
2. Rangers current “club” (if it can be considred to be a separate entity from the Old Co. PLC/owner) still have SPL and SFA membership until they are officially papped oot for being insolvent?
3. Has Mr Green bought “the club” but not the old co. or is he forming a new club? If its possible to take the “club” out of the old Co. then old club would be subject to SPL/SFA perhaps UEFA penalties for rule breaking, so likeley Mr Green wishes to form a new club?
It all appears sufficiently complicated for governing bodies and MSM to put whatever spin they want on it, and claim RF Club, history etc. survival!
As you will have gathered all the Huns in Denial believe that Mr Green has bought assetts including the club and transferred them to Servco which he intends to rename as “The Rangers Football Club”
Although I am as desparate as any to see the old club dead, extinct, caput etc. it’s not so just cause we want it to be.
Does anyone have any specific legal or other statement that we can point to that prounounces or proves that this parrot is or will be unequivocally devoid of life?
June 25, 2012 at 1:22 am
Dannybhoy1976
budbhoy, the ‘club’ became the ‘company’ when they incorporated mate, they are one and the same, and will shortly be liquidated. What Green has bought is the assets of the former company, there is no ‘club’ to transfer as it IS/WAS the company facing liquidation, and Green has no right to name a phoenix as ‘Rangers’ without leaving himself exposed to being pursued for their debts…
June 26, 2012 at 12:51 am
Stevie Reid
Ah ! It gets better every day. They amuse me no end. I see mccoist is playing to the mob again. He is way out his depth and is making himself look very foolish, his statement “these players will be cheating the club if they leave “. Jeez, cheating. When it comes to cheating, then they are a product of their environment aren’t they. Jeez, he has some neck on him does mccoist. ‘patsy’ mccoist, him and his zombie club give me great entertainment…cheers, ha ha !
June 25, 2012 at 12:09 am
Dal
Ironic that the only two sets of fans who sing ‘rule britania’ are cringe-worthy. The fascists at Ibrox are staring into an abyss. Eng-ur-lund have been anti-football for the last fortnight. Class always tells in the end.
June 24, 2012 at 11:47 pm
paddybhoy
Hi Phil
Glad your back,have missed your exclusive informative reports,have to agree totally, at least 12 months out for the exhuns and perhaps I think adminstration for the Newco in the near future…As you say “The Story that Keeps On Giving” bring it on! Hail Hail!
Keep up the great work and don’t leave it so long the next time you have some information for us..We need our fix!
Keep Digging Away Mate!!!
Paddybhoy
June 24, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Jim Wood
Hibs have just stated that they will still vote no to Newco in the SPL. I don’t know about the other things but this has been confirmed by Hibs. If CFC and Aberdeen stand up there is no SPL for Newco.
Can CFC delay answering the call from SFA/SPL on vote for SPL2 the way D&D did on double contracts investigation and thus delay any vote till it is irrelevant even if they do have a team? I wonder.
June 24, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Dannybhoy1976
Jim, I honestly think Celtic are doing the right thing by maintaining a dignified silence throughout this sorry episode, one word from Parkhead, and you know who will have ‘consigned the Gers to death’ on the back pages of every newspaper, why should we put ourselves in that position when there appears to be no need to?!
My biggest worry though, is the sudden rush of other SPL clubs to confirm their ‘No’ stance, has a deal already been done to dump them in SFL1/SPL2, and that’s why so many other clubs feel it’s ok to make their feelings known? Think about it, they make the announcement public, their fans breathe a sigh of relief and pump in their season ticket money, yet all the while they’re selling us all down the water with a 1-season slap on the wrists for the cheating masses….!?
June 26, 2012 at 12:39 am
Joseph
I wonder if Celtic will move for these two players?
June 24, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Ignoranceisnodefence
Phil, great to have another post…feel like a junkie desperate for my next fix
Given that they are dead, how can everybody keep talking / writing about Rangers, demotion, relegation, punishments etc? they do not exist and having been liquidated is it not unlawful under the ‘Insolvency Act’ for them to keep trading under the same or a similar name giving the impression it is the same team / business with history intact?
Also, if the get shoehorned into some league would there then be a case for any other club wishing to get in to take it to court if not the ‘Sports own court of Arbitration’ ?
June 24, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Ben mcginlay
Again I must say that this is along slow death of a completely horrible establishment. They have been hanging on by a thread what seems like forever. Can’t wait to see how loyal the peepil are when the stark realisation of a ghost club for next season is announced. They can call them what they want, but it won’t be rangers. I wonder what the operating finances are for the next 3 year. There could be a strong chance of administration once again if there is not enough money for the upkeep of Ibrox and Murray park plus players. Another thought will the Newco be allowed to keep the name Ibrox and be allowed to keep rangers name on the main stand facade and the rfc on the gates. It would be fantastic if they were told to remove them.
June 24, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Dhougal
Darkness falls across the land
The midnight hour is close at hand
Creatures crawl in search of blood
To terrorise your neighbourhood
Is it just me , with these zombie attacks taking place all over and RFC goin bust …………….just coincidence ?Thrilling stuff Phil !! Thanks for the fix
June 24, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Andybhoy
For the sixth time in 2 1/2 months,, there will be no rangers old/newco playing for at least 2 seasons,, if ever.
June 24, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Martybhoy
Looking forward to your next blog on Italian wines when you have that well deserved holiday and leave all this madness behind.The bastards are dead and we move on.
Bigger fights to be fought now…..a Small to Medium Enterprise with less than 100 million per annum turnover to be liquidated……no big deal……happens every week.
Let’s give this story the proportionality it deserves in the bigger picture.
The bastards are dead……walk on with hope in our hearts!!
June 24, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Rangersr scottishceltsrirish
Rangers 1872 is not dead. Rangers plc didn’t start until 1899. By your logic Rangers didn’t exist before 1899 then!
June 24, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4369672/Culprits-must-pay-price-after-killing-off-my-club.html
Richard Gough is wrong then?
June 24, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Lord Beaver of Brook
Re rangers scottish comment. Why do you all support engurland and do the full last night of the proms routine al la your english heroes. Sevco should move to Yorkshire. You are as Scottish as Vera Lynn.
June 24, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Dannybhoy1976
Jesus man, nothing like having to educate der hun on not only their own history, but on the basics of corporate business eh?!
The ‘club’ was formed in 1872, at which point no more than a ‘club’ with some members and a football team to put on the park…
Come 1899, or whenever, the ‘club’ became incorporated, therefore forming a company, formerly known as RFC, currently RFC (IA), and soon to be no more, ever…
Now listen carefully, as this is the hard part you lot don’t quite seem to grasp….this ‘incorporation’ of the ‘club’ into a plc does not distinguish, they are one and the same…as such, the ‘plc’ which is plunging towards liquidation IS rangers as you know it…your CLUB dies with the plc, and no quick sale of the ‘assets’ can change this…
And just for the record, neither can the buying of said assets and renaming Sevco5088 as ‘The Rangers’, which believe me is against insolvency regulations and leaves Mr Green open to all sorts of transgressions from not just HRMC but ALL creditors!
June 26, 2012 at 12:26 am
Shiltrum
Is there enough time left to do all that needs to be done to get this NewCo up and running I doubt it very much. A year is a short time even so who is going to hang around? Do they have the stamina to play the waiting game in the hope they get it right in a years time. Will they have the money bills will still have to be paid where will they get their much needed funds from?. It’s not looking good is it (he he he).
June 24, 2012 at 8:33 pm
droid
It has been like Groundhog Day on a Christmas morning since 14 February 2012, the joy I have experienced this year knows no bounds.
All those years of suffering very questionable decisions at so many levels, the temporary absence of trophies, all seem so very worthwhile and a mere irritation now that the light of truth continues to disperse the darkness which Dod would have us all live under.
Long may we have truth in our hearts and consistency in our tongues
June 24, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Charles
Strangely I felt a wee level of empathy for Naismith until at the end in response to a question about Sally he commented that “no manager in the world has had to put up with what he had to in his first year”
Where has he been, is the fact that you discovered what we’ve known for ages that his club is corrupt worse than being attacked on the field, worse than receiving death threats, worse than having bombs made and sent to your address, worse than being attacked in the street? is it worse than all that or is it even close to being as bad as any one of them?
He’s a fekin fud
June 24, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Brendan
Phil
On the basis that I got a yellow for a similar late challenge, almost identical in tone, subject matter and language, just a few weeks ago, any chance of an appeal?
Brendan
June 24, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Rab
If Sevco have no club in the Scottish SPL or SFL for the coming season then that means that league 3 is a team short. Surely that slot should be filled by another club ASAP which would leave no room for any other club the following season???
June 24, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Joe miller
Thank god your back phil! I’m sure I’m not the only member of your faithful following that’s has been suffering withdrawal symptoms!
Phil do you think Sally will ever be taken to task over any of his outbursts. After reading his statement about players leaving, the phrase “intellectual bulling” springs to mind. Maybe I’m using the word intellectual a little too freely. You would think any company in any walk of life would now realise that threating your employees maybe, just maybe, not be the best way to keep them as members of staff. What is plainly obvious to me is that the newco (sevco) is adopting the “modus operandi” of the extinct club, in using bullying and threating and pressuring tactics to get its own way!
Heard a wee rumour that mcgregor; Davis and bocanegra are to announce they are leaving sevco tomorrow. For the good of society please let this new club fold before it begins!
Cheers phil!
June 24, 2012 at 8:02 pm
cass
we are not resigned to having them anywhere liam. Bye,bye means bye,bye.Bunch oh cheats to put it mildly. stet fortuna domus
June 24, 2012 at 7:45 pm
The Wallace
In truth a year off to let the dust settle was always the best idea for any team/newco who have the problems that old/new rangers are in. Trying to run an effective outfit under the conditions ‘Green’s Rangers’ still have to face would like playing snooker while your getting a new carpet laid. I would advise this for any team, even one that I liked.
A little addendum. I had cause to look up a piece of latin that came up in a book I am reading at the moment (Tristram Shandy) and came across a quote from Horace’s (no the Broons) Satires which would have been a fine motto for your blog over the past few months; “Ridentum dicere verum quid vetat”- what prevents me from speaking the truth with a smile on my face.
The phrase I looked up was ‘O diem praeclarum’ which means, quite aptly, O what a wonderful day.
Hail, Hail.
June 24, 2012 at 7:33 pm
David
I totally agree with your year out analysis because this is a conclusion I camer some days ago. This slow painful death prolonged by an astonishing amount of lies peddled by the red top Glasgow media is becoming rather tedious. I am visiting fron Sydney and had forgotten how bad it was.
June 24, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
It isn’t an “analysis” it is what I have been told.
June 24, 2012 at 7:33 pm
frank
first things first,another great night on friday phil well done to your good self and the 2 pauls plus archie.had a mate there from work (motherwell fan)and he was gobsmacked.more power to your keyboard.cheers
June 24, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Simon
Charlie won’t have a big wage bill on Thursday.
He won’t have any players.
In a way that’s good for him because he has no money!
June 24, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Quinn
The SFA are trying to gerrymander the whole thing. They can’t be allowed to get away with it. If they aren’t going to do their job and enforce their own rules then every true follower of football in Scotland needs to rebel against them.
June 24, 2012 at 7:22 pm
timabhouy
The SFA can’t alter the fact of liquidation.
RFC(1872-2012).
Deed.
June 24, 2012 at 7:21 pm
James
What I want to know is, what about the club crest and badges above Ibrox.also what is it with all the new strips the retro ones. Will the new team be wearing them.
June 24, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Carntyne
Moving to acceptance will be neither volunatary or quick. It may even take a year or two.
The marching season has now begun and will no doubt be the focus of Sevco1690 supporters to vent their collective spleen.
Eventually, they may get there.
June 24, 2012 at 7:14 pm
jinky44
Peter Lawwell & co must come out with all guns blazing to stop this Sassenach masonic mob!!
June 24, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Kevin Gallagher
I would agree Phil, too many obstacles, time is running out and Green does not have the resources.
What do you think Green will do if Newco does have to take a year out.
June 24, 2012 at 7:04 pm
RPM
Ally is going to war over the quitters haw haw haw, I bet he wishes he never mentioned “we don’t do walking away” he has no choice but to stay until he is sacked which will be sometime soon methinks
June 24, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Daibhidh
Am fear nach seall roimhe,seallaidh e as a dheigh … the old clubs toxic associations should be treated as all contaminated waste,boxed up and buried deep in an airtight container
June 24, 2012 at 6:57 pm
jakeyrollin
Even when they hear it from the mouths of ‘their own’ they don’t get it. I just heard a report today that the statue of John Greig has walked away !
June 24, 2012 at 6:56 pm
John Collins
Well said as always. Very surprised at Sally’s outburst. Without players pay cuts then there would not even be a Sevco. What is Sally’s angle? Never thought he would be Green’s cheerleader…
June 24, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Liam57
Don’t speak too soon, Phil. The SFA are bending over backwards to accommodate the “blue half”, in whatever form. Most Scots fans are resigned to having them back in SPL 1 next season, no matter what.
June 24, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
The SFA can’t alter the fact of liquidation.
RFC(1872-2012).
Dead.
June 24, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Neil
Phil,
I understand what you are saying, but we footy fans need to let the SPL/SFA know, that we will not stand for the this blatant fudging to accommodate cheats.
If this new club gets’s into SPL1, we might as well go home, because we will be enduring another 100 years of a rigged set up, to suit a particular club and following.
HH
June 24, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Spuds
I honestly think the fans have let the CLUBS know. Remember it’s the clubs who ultimately have the final say, and they’ve started listening to the fans. If “Rangers” – and their fans – had held their hands up and said “OK, it’s a fair cop”, fans in general might have had a bit of sympathy. But they’ve resorted to type – bully-boy tactics, threats, courts – remember, they could still bring Scottish football down with them, and have made (thinly) veiled threats to that effect. All the talk has been about how the SPL without “Rangers” will kill the game in Scotland. I don’t see it that way. I think the game will thrive in the country without them (anywhere), we’ll see a reduction in the flow of mediocre foreign “talent” and an increase in young Scottish talent coming through, I’m pretty confident of that.
But if “Rangers” start anywhere else other than the bottom tier of Scottish football, then the game is as good as dead in Scotland.
June 25, 2012 at 10:58 am