Albert Camus observed that “happy nations have no history”.
The more I have considered the history of my own country I wished that certain events had never have happened or had turned out very differently.
The neighbouring head of state agrees with me and she said so at a state banquet in Dublin Castle last year.
However, although we may look differently at a historical event and re-assess the significance of it we certainly can’t change history.
It happened.
However, problematic it might be to a national narrative history is not a commodity to be bought and sold.
That is also true of sporting achievements.
In this radio interview Charles Green the Chief Executive if Sevco Scotland Limited starts well when he says “we’ve never been a member of the SPL”.
http://soundcloud.com/celticresearch/cg-gms/s-ya9Uz
However, after that he appears to be all over the place. The interviewer was rather gentlemanly when presented with several open goals.
It would certainly appear that the club and company conundrum is not at all clear to Mr Green.
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/club-and-company/
He seems to think that his consortium “bought” titles won by Rangers Football Club (1872).
This, I have to admit, is a new one on me.
If Charlie is correct then perhaps, Mr Novak Djokovic, who is a very wealthy tennis player, will put in a bid in for Andy Murray’s US open title.
After all, it would appear that sporting titles can be bought.
Even the fitba fourth estate are finding it difficult to stay on message.
Here Graham Spiers admits that “the historic timeline was broken”.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b01mdbfl
Roger Mitchell in the Herald nails it today with unarguable logic, but he also tries to acquaint Mr Green with the long standing rapprochement between the sports hacks and anyone in a position of power at Ibrox.
It isn’t in their common interest to point out inconvenient truths that will antagonise the Ibrox klan.
However they do need to be assisted in this socially valuable work by people in charge at Edmiston Drive.
The bottom line is if Charlie doesn’t bring attention to the fact that Sevco are a new club with no titles then the hacks won’t mention it either and everyone can pretend that Rangers didn’t die.
Rangers (1872-2012) had 140 years of history and a lot of it wasn’t that happy. The club operated discriminatory employment practices that effectively wrote permission slips for racists and bigots. Thus authorised the Ibrox klan went on the rampage with depressing regularity.
Perhaps if Sevco admitted that they had no history at all then we would all be happier.
DYLANSFEAST
You don’t half bang on about a ‘brand new club’ with ‘no history’.
Just admit it, just gonnae say it please? Please just gonnae admit you haven’t got any history and that your not the same club? Please, please gonnae say that your not the old Rangers? PLLLLLLLLEEEEEEAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEE. Just effin admit it!!!!!!! AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH.
September 18, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Martin
The proof will be in the pudding when they win their FIRST trophy. Then the SFA will need to spell it out for them.
The Pawn Shop cup will be their first title and the sadist in me is actually willing them to win it to finally put this obvious fact-unless your from Govan- to bed.
If they do get stripped of the titles the stars on their strip will finally have some significance.
September 13, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Shiltrum
If they are not deid why dont they all take their share certificates to the bank and ask for a current valuation and see what the response is from the manager ;0)
September 13, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Frankier
If Nanny McPhee, as he has described himself, isn’t going to take any heed of the independant judges’ decision, what will his reaction be if they rule in their favour? After all, I am a wee bit suspicious after they have ruled in Celtic’s favour.
I don’t know how Celtic got off lightly as it must have taken a bit of explaining as to how they were willing to give a loan to an already rich player who was only going to be with them for a few weeks before flying off back to Brazil. On the other hand, they may have paid the taxes for Junhinho and if they did they should be questioned about this at their AGM, especially when they are unwilling to pay back the extra cash they have charged the season ticket holders for the Dundee games at Parkhead.
September 13, 2012 at 11:47 am
Ben mcginlay
They did pay their tax on the EBT at great expense to Celtic. But that was the correct decision to make or we would be going down the same road as the Klan. As for a cash return for the Dundee games, I am, as are most Celtic supporters willing to pay as the financial consequences and re-pricing would have caused a lot of grief to our club.
September 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm
robertg
A couple of points.
1. One of the reasons Celtic ceased the use of EBT’s is that you can’t accomplish it legally and comply with the registration rules for players.
Legal EBT = discretionary, non contractual payment
Proper Registration = All potential payments documented when player registered.
BustcCo = Side letter to player indicating that they would be paid x% of effectively salary through EBT.
Ssadly they seem to have made such a Charles Green (ref yesterday’s comment from somebody saying “I am not a gynaecologist but I know a **** when I see one..”) of it that they likely fail on it being legal and on it allowing players to be properly registered.
2. Season Ticket Prices
Again, logic here. Celtic don’t charge, and never have charged, extra for BustCo games. They discounted certain season tickets to take account of the fact that they didn’t allow attendance at BustCo games. The repricing of the tickets just takes them up to the level I have been paying all along. A subtle difference but an important one. It is like complaining the supermarket have put the price of bread up because they charge more for a loaf today that they did for one that was going out of date last night and had therefore been discounted.
Lastly, since everyone I saw at the game at the end of last season seemed to be delighted at BustCo’s imminent demise. Expecting it to happen without any consquence for us in terms of maintaining the revenue for Celtic, strikes me as being naive at best.
Lets stay behind the people that have managed in spite of our protestations about not keeping up with BustCo over the years.
Hail hail.
September 13, 2012 at 3:35 pm
gerr
Phil loving the book but not being as bright as those
on RM and the BD (LOL) i am having a real problem finding
the subliminal messages on the cover of the book all i see
is a photo of a soon to be condemed building
September 13, 2012 at 11:18 am
tommo
phil,just looked at glasgow rankers website,then THE new glasgow rangers…SAME SITES…wtf is going on,all the history is on BOTH sites.need official statement from FIFA/UEFA to confirm that newco have no history,PLEASE someone do this,so they can move on as new club.
September 13, 2012 at 10:36 am
robertg
Just read the Herald article referenced. Wow. Wee Roger definitely doesn’t miss Charlie and hit the wall. Only bit where he veers a bit off course in the article is regarding the punishment element – by whiich I assume he means removal of titles – and he likens presumably stripping of titles to the sanctions imposed on Germany at Versailles and appears to warn of dire consequences. Essentially “just be glad the enemy died and don’t be looking for any reparations”. I’m fine with that – just move out of the countries you invaded illegally and we’ll call it quits.
I guess we should just be glad Sevco can’t play in Europe.
September 13, 2012 at 10:29 am
joe burt
masonwalker,im still not sure if its your name or hobbybut anyway.
You mention Phils history,which is very recent unlike some who are still clinging to events in another country in the 17th century,where the man on the white horse was funded by no other than the Vatican.Now how does that sit with your fellow bretheren,im intrested to hear.
September 13, 2012 at 8:58 am
joe burt
At last we will see justice for the 96 souls lost at Hillsborough that awfull day.It just shows how much the press are manipulated by the establishment and the people treated like mushrooms.I make no comparison to current events here as they are nothing to the loss of the families of the 96.It now needs guys like you Phil who im sure there are many in and around Liverpool to come out and pursue these people and ensure justice is seen to be done.Sorry to go off track Phil.
September 13, 2012 at 8:55 am
The Wallace
I listened to the Charles Green radio clip and it bugged me all night, then it hit me. I don’t know if many will remember ‘I didn’t know you cared.’ A BBC comedy written by Peter Tinniswood back in the 1970′s. Charlie at times slipped right into the character of Uncle Mort. I was waiting on him adding ‘Carter’ at the end of some his phrases. ‘Carter’ was his nephew to whom he was always giving the most inane advice about the mysteries of life. The nephew was played by a young Stephen Rea,
Hail, Hail.
September 13, 2012 at 5:28 am
SamBrowneBelt
I heard that, pardon?
September 13, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Dal
Starting to see a nasty and vitriolic side to Charlie Green. He’s only been in Dark Ibrox for several months, and the guy’s afflicted by them already.
September 13, 2012 at 12:48 am
jjbhoy
dear phil,purchased the book y/day,absolutely riveting reading and finding out the truth rather than the spin we have all witnessed in the msm is wonderful,have told all my friends that they need to buy it rather than read mine as per your benefit. you deserve all the praise possible for your hard work,endeavour and never giving up on the truth.i truly believe that you should yourself be recognised in some form or another either by the celtic family or your fellow journalists as the courage you have shown would surely be worthy of this! top drawer sir phil!!! btw does anyone know how or who you can contact at uefa to ask some questions to the validity of mr ogilvie(formerly of rfc I.A.)still holding office while being part of this investigation as this surely must be a conflict of interest? hh and god bless phil mac!
September 12, 2012 at 11:36 pm
weeandybhoy
Iain,
Run out of material???
Did you not see the news today that the SPL have set a date to discuss/conclude the issue surrounding the EBT’s at rangers? This would also include the allegations of rangers players having side contracts?
There are still the findings of the big tax case to come?
This is not running out of material. Far from it.
If you read Green’s & Johnston’s respective rants over the past 24 hours, you get the impression everything regarding these issues was either above board, but if not, well it’s someone else’s fault, or let’s see what other SPL club’s MIGHT have done wrong in the past & we’ll see if we can tar them with a similar brush, or there’s an agenda against rangers (old & new).
For Green & Johnston to blame purely Craig Whyte, for the shenanigans of the past 10-15 years is quite frankly laughable. Granted he helped, but there’s a whole host of folk who should have the finger pointed at them when discussing the demise of rangers.
The problem with this whole sorry story (I would guess, sorry for you that is!!) is that it’s not ended yet. It keeps on giving & giving.
This is why people come to sites like this, because in alot of cases, this is where the facts are presented to you.
How do you think a book like “Downfall” ended up being written & published?
For someone who appears to have such an aversion to this site, I’m amazed you take the time to read so many articles & then bother to comment on them.
For me, the history debate is something that will rumble on for months, maybe even years. There are 2 totally contrasting views people have that at present, are just never going to find a common ground to agree on.
However, there are links to the history of rangers that are now going to be put to the test with regards to the side contract issue. Let’s not forget that it took the SPL just 2 days to decide rangers had a case to answer, after waiting for months for the evidence to actually arrive.
This is a story that hasn’t reached it’s “and they all lived happily ever after” moment…..but it’s coming.
Granted there will be people who, to quote you “have a hatred for any form of rangers” however there will be numerous people who purely want to see justice done, people who realise that possibly (it’s not been confirmed yet) for years they were conned, they were cheated, even lied to. People have realised they were watching football that was NOT being played on a level playing field.
With ALL that’s been dragged up over the past 2-3 years, THAT I believe is the major issue that people want answers to & want resolved.
September 12, 2012 at 10:51 pm
The Wallace
Sorry meant to say my sympathies go to the families, friends and those poor people involved in the Hillsborough disaster. And personally think it is dreadful that this has taken such a long time to come out. I wonder how it would have been treated if it had happened to fans of another sport?
September 12, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Tommo
As a Celtic fan this has been a great time to support our Club because present situations in football reflects back to our past history, The very foundation on which we were formed, to help the poor, Celtic are a great institution. Tommy Burns epitimised this tradition by the way he led his life.
We are all fortunate to be part of the Celtic family and should always treat the Club with respect when we wear the colours.
People like Phil, and Paul McConville are men to be admired for their courage and skills and the determination to follow the path of truth.
Rangers were part of my life as a child staying in Ibrox as my grandmother worked for the Club and I became friends with many players in the early 60′s Jimmy Miller, Ralph Brand, Wullie Henderson to name a few.
Celtic have always been my real passion though, because of the diet of amazing stories such as Charlie Tully scoring twice from a corner kick, the name ‘Paradise’, the 7-1 game against Rangers and the songs that prevailed.
The Jock Stein years where the real catalyst to the downfall of the Rangers I befriended, Celtic’s dominance during that period was a dagger to the heart of Rangers especially by winning the European Cup. A trophy which became a mountain to high to climb, a river to wide to cross, a pill to big to swallow.
Rangers forget football was a sport in desperation to achieve their Paradise, or Odin’s valhalla, money became of no importance, pride, anxiety, fear, arrogance and stupidity took over and history will tell the rest.
As I said at the beginning Celtic is more than just a team they have a bond with the fans which is second to none.
They are not the best team in the world but you always feel one day they just might be.
Glen Daly has a song which has been played throughout my lifetime at Celtic Park ‘We dont care if we win lose or draw what the hell do we care’
How very important those words have become today.
September 12, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Scotjolly
Hail Hail , that man !!!!
September 13, 2012 at 9:58 am
Slugger O'Toole
MasonWalker mad . Rangers bad .
September 12, 2012 at 9:26 pm
The Wallace
I don’t know what all the fuss Chuckles is making about the SPL meeting. This was a meeting about how they are going to proceed at a future hearing (sometime in November, I believe). They are not having their hearing until after HMRC announcement due out in the next couple of weeks, I think. No one seems to have explained this to Charlie or is he making mountains of molehills to generate the ire and cash of his customers again? It is just like all the public foot stamping that helped sell extra season tickets.
About trophies though even IF he has bought them and they were found to achieved in an underhand then of course they should taken back. It’s like buying a fully furnished house, then subsequently finding that the three piece suite was stolen. It does not belong to you, no matter how many times you say it does.
September 12, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Joseph
Book arrived Phil. Taking a break from reading it in bed. So far, brilliant. I’m really enjoying this. Such is its capture I will probably finish it tonight . . . and then start resding it again tomorrow on the plane to Spain!
September 12, 2012 at 8:44 pm
K19
Sevco may have bought the titles and trophies from Oldco but the enquiry may determine they were not Oldco’s property in the first place. If so, the goods must be returned to their rightful owner(s) and Sevco can get their £1 back from Oldco(or whichever part of the £1 related to the stolen goods). Isn’t it that simple?
September 12, 2012 at 8:13 pm
tamtic
The inane ramblings of captain charlie are getting right on my t**ts, I can tell you. Where does this guy get off, threatening spl that he will ignore them and will not accept any judgement from the independent comm as the ranters don”t play in spl. Could someone point out to him that the offences took place when the ranters were in spl therefore coming under their jurisdiction.Besides, he keeps telling us they have nothing to hide. so whats the problem? Methinks he protesteth too much
September 12, 2012 at 8:10 pm
gazthechef
hi Phil,got the book yesterday.i will treasure it always.i think in years to come it will be remembered as the straw that broke the camels back.with regard to all this confusion surrounding the msn…Scotland,essentially,is a protestant country,run by protestants for protestants without putting too fine a point on it!any suggestion that the spiritual home of unionism in bonnie Scotland is anything less than perfect will inevitably be met with skullduggery,spin and sheer denial.massive respect for being the first Tim to not only to strike a blow,but to hold their nerve in the face of such adversity for four years.as I read on the one word that keeps coming to mind is perseverance.thanks for the book.go raib maith agat.
September 12, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Walter Valentine
Took delivery of “Downfall” from Amazon today. My holiday reading in Ibiza in 2 weeks. Cheers Phil
September 12, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Dan The Man
Interesting little ending to the information provided by Iain on LUFC liquidation. Anyone up for an enquiry to the Insolvency service to see if Sevco have done it right?
Ie continuity of name,colors history etc? Not to mention the asset valuation ?
September 12, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Rebel67
Even if Sevco do keep Oldcos history whats the problem ? Celtics history is far richer with all honours won fair and square , not with the help of corrupt referees and financial doping in Rangers case !
September 12, 2012 at 6:02 pm
corn, wine & oil
i am with you all the way masonwalker, but sevco are a newco,and they should forfeit all the trophies won during the cheating years,it is the right thing to do after all we must keep the tims happy as they are running the show now, this may arouse the ire of some of the faithful on this site but that’s how i see it, no offence gentlemen,
September 12, 2012 at 5:25 pm
PaulMc
Tim’s running the show? That’s a classic, cheers, I really laughed at that. Where do you normally perform your comedy masterclass? Maybe you could form a double act with Mason Walker?
September 12, 2012 at 7:02 pm
tallybhoy
Yes – the unseen Fenian hand! The Tims are running the country – Opus Dei, the Jesuits, the Benedictines, the Dominicans!!!!
It’s a giant conspiracy – infamy, infamy they’ve all goat it infame!
HH!!
September 12, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Dougie
Great article and thanks for flagging it up Phil.
Meanwhile, am I the only one thinking that Mr Green’s rhetoric since he came on the scene are more trouble stirring and offensive than ever emanated from the previous management of the old Rangers?
September 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Stu
Have to agree. Whatever your opinion of the previous mob, they would at least pay lip-service to trying to discourage the worst elements of the support.
Green has obviously seen the lay of the land, and realises that with the even the smallest amount of stirring, he’ll be quids in. Make them feel victimised? Kerching!
Between the season ticket sales (used to fund the purchase – again!), the share issue, the bigotry statements and everything else, he’s pressing the right buttons and squeezing them for all the loose change in their pockets. If Regan wants his social unrest to come true, he only has to look no further than Charles Greene.
From the way he’s stirring things, it would seem he’s only there for the short term. Wonder how long it will be before (The) Rangers fans are screaming that the SFA should have protected them from all this (again)….
September 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Joseph
Of course, Mr Green is only there for the short term. That’s what he said when he arrived. So, get the share issue going, pocket the money . . . then sell the company and walk away with a fortune. Bet yer bottom dollar that’s his plan. And so we start all over again.
I don’t trust Green. He uses other people for his own selfish ends. In this case he is playing a dangerous game whipping up support from the more outrageous fans . . . and there are plenty of them ready to fight anyone who gets in their path. That’s what’s frightening.
September 12, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Declan
This will all come to an end when Rangers are finally liquidated, remember as it stands they are currently in administration which allows Sevco to use name strip etc. When BDO start the liquidation process then they will tell Sevco that if they wish to have the history of Rangers fc then they will need to assume their debts as well. When they refuse they will not be able to use the name strip or badge of the defunct club. This will bring all the “its the same club” to a finish. Hail Hail
September 12, 2012 at 4:30 pm
JimBhoy
This plan of deflection is Greenies plan. He doesn’t give a hoot about Rangers past , it’s Rangers the current cash-cow that has his attention, self gain… He knows that there could be some very severe sanctions on order and the least would be this reclaim of trophies which would be nothing other than a rewrite of the new history books and we all know the Rangers will still keep the 5 stars and live in cloud bigot land history intact. If it were my club I’d be keen to shed the history.
September 12, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Dal
Good to hear that the Hillsborough families are now being given some respect, and the truth is coming out. Another timely reminder about how the grotesque Murdoch Empire tried to discredit people in Liverpool. Recently we’ve also discovered their cowardly decision to be kowtowed by Sevco’s lynch mob. Celts should boycott the rag in question.
September 12, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Ben mcginlay
Never bought a tabloid for at least a decade. Cheap news and biased football views. And have you noticed if someone has committed a crime and they are a Celtic fan. That is what’s in the headline, subliminal messages….bad boy Celtic fan etc etc
September 12, 2012 at 8:42 pm
wastrel
here`s how it works according to Mr Green:-
rangers-newco
history-newco
strip/badge-newco
supporters-newco
assets-newco
wrongdoing-oldco
blame-oldco
ebt`s-oldco
the only team EVER to be presented with a European trophy in their dressing room-oldco
Manchester riot-oldco
we were there but didnae see anything wrong happen-oldco
it was them not us, we wurnae there-newco
we want everything but the blame-newco
I think it`s called `trying to have your cake and eat it`!!
September 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm
tom dolan
That chico green guy,he is a necromancer ie talks too deed people.
September 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Rebel67
And Middlesborough ? Ive read their stadium was actually closed down and the club liquidated in 1986 …but today on Wiki their history goes way back to 1876 !
September 12, 2012 at 1:50 pm
iain
for anyone whos interested wiki has a page explaining how newco bought oldco assets and intellecual property rights .ie cups honours history etc.it seems simple enough ..ford did it with jaguar. i suggest phil that you have indeed run out of material for your blog and are now just spouting rubbish to the ill informed people who read your blog with nothing more than hatred for any form of rangers either new or old .grow up phil they are a newco with historical connection to previous club ..ie crest. stadium. training facility.and marketable merchandise. strips. and any other historical items . such as cups won
September 12, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Ben mcginlay
Anyone can add to wiki ya angry wee uneducated bigot.
September 12, 2012 at 8:35 pm
dombhoy67
Iain, like most sevco franchise supporters you can talk all day and still say nothing. Yer old rangers team are deed son. Get over it and move on.
September 12, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Stuart Kennedy
Book arrived from amazon this morning!!! A quiet night in reading for me tonight
September 12, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Cheers Stuart. I hope you enjoy Downfall-I certainly enjoyed writing it;0)
September 12, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Ben mcginlay
Oh no, I’ve done it again Phil, I forgot to initiate self moderation mode…..
September 12, 2012 at 1:09 pm
tallybhoy
Correct me if I am wrong but did’nt R*ngers start to go down the road to a sectarian and racist signing policy when Harland & Wolff opened a shipyard on the Clyde just before WW1?
Hundreds of workers were ‘imported’ from Norn Iron, adopted that now dead club and the rest, as they say, is history.
And a ‘proud’ history it was as well! This is what Green has bought – should be very proud of himself!
HH!!
September 12, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Conorbrien
Tallybhoy,
yes you are quite correct, Rangers’ policy was changed then as Harland & Wolff opened a yard in Govan. The yard was opposite Alex Ferguson’s close(well almost) and they also had offices in Helen Street just up from Ibrox. My father worked in there, often wonder how he got in as he had the same name as me, around the late 50′s. Things must have changed with H & W policy as our school used to go to the yard to see launches and with a name like St. Gerard’s it’s a wonder we got in. However, Govan was very much filled with Irish immigrants and my father and his parents came there from the Republic in 1925. There was 3 RC churches and numerous supporters buses(about 10?)left for Celtic Park every Saturday. It was great at Paisley Road Toll especially on the way to watch the Lisbon Lions.
I’ve ordered the book Phil from Amazon, hope to get it next week 23rd I think. Great column.
September 12, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Rebel67
Good point Neillybhoy , and if you look Rangers up on wiki their history intact there too ! It was recently pointed out to me that this is the case for Middlesborough and Leeds who both went through liquidation ! Im sure we dont mind the other clubs retaining their history but Rangers is a different matter entirely and they must be exterminated from existence !
September 12, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Leeds were not liquidated-if I remember correctly they achieved an 11th hour CVA.
September 12, 2012 at 12:59 pm
iain
Leeds United were indeed liquidated.
Ken Bates was a director of the old Leeds United Football Club Limited (company number 05334247) (“Oldco”) from 17 January 2005 until 7 March 2006. Oldco went into compulsory liquidation on 6 March 2006.
http://www.mercerhole.co.uk/blog/article/phoenix-companies-leeds-united-did-ken-bates-break-the-law
September 12, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Nobody Knows
Couldn’t agree more with what you say Phil. It is good to see the Roger Mitchell article. I am sure he will be added to the hit list by the SevCO fans and they will delve into his background for some angle to smirch his character.
All for speaking the truth!!
September 12, 2012 at 12:43 pm
SamBrowneBelt
Charlie might want to buy the 2 European Cups from Nottingham Forest too (if he wants to know what it looks like first, he can trot along to Kerrydale Street).
You can see where he’s coming from though; after all, Minty appears to have bought a few trophies during his time in charge.
September 12, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Ben mcginlay
Great article Phil, especially the last three paragraphs which hit the nail right on the head. Sevconians and the MSM are living a lie when speaking or relating to the current team playing at Edmiston Drive. They are oh so desperate to claim the time line of the Organisation has not been broken and by that hoping to retain the same misguided, narrow minded insular support. Ps just received my book, can’t wait to read it. Keep up the good work Hail Hail Phil
September 12, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Neillybhoy
Nice piece as usual Phil,
Why then can’t someone (anyone) have an offical statement? The hordes who support, The Rangers football Club think the company is dead but the original club lives on – everyone else believes that is a load of bull. So why, are The Rangers getting credited with old dead Rangers’ history and achievements even on the offical SFL website? Cheers
September 12, 2012 at 12:31 pm
whale oil beef hooked
Good article Phil, but wishful thinking I’m afraid. CG is winding up enough anger to ensure he makes enough money before exiting, leaving inevitable the mess behind. Everyone (sane) knows this, even if some choose to ignore the evidence, as per usual. It’s all going to be someone else’s fault again.
All we can do as observers, is hope the rules are applied this time. Failure to do so in the past is partly to blame for this ongoing debacle.
At least there’s a decent book coming out of it.
September 12, 2012 at 12:29 pm
keighley bhoy
Morning Phil, i originate from greenock but have lived in a wee town in Yorkshire called keighley for over 35years, in them years spent in Yorkshire iv grown to respect the Yorkshire way of life and there attitudes, straight talking people, genuine and tolerant, never has my Irish background, my religion or my beloved CELTIC ever been question or threaten, yet here we hav a straight talking bullshiter, that has less intelligence than a Yorkshire pudding at the helm of a zombie club, who after being in Scotland less than 6 months is calling everybody bigots except the true bigots that he calls his loyal supporters, this man is a discrace to all good Yorkshire people, and i point this out to my Yorkshire friends daily, be gone you Muppet, and take the zombie huns with you, hail hail, GOD BLESS IE CELTIC+
September 12, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Stevo
Is this a podium per chance?
September 12, 2012 at 12:24 pm
franco
Chico greens a very good conman….the orcs will always fall for his BS….kerching for the consortium me thinks=-O
September 12, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Althetim
Sevco can’t admit they have no history, if they do then Rangers fans will desert T’Rangers and leave them to their fate.
Inevitably though, some day in the not too distant future the truth will become apparent to all, even the sheep formerly known as Bears.
September 12, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Martin Gray
Good blog again Phil, Mr Mitchell’s article neatly summed up Charlie’s errors, but stopped short of going for the jugular, ie let it lie Charlie, another opportunity missed IMO, anyway downfall ordered from my local waterstones, can’t wait for it to arrive.
September 12, 2012 at 11:57 am
Mick Connick
So at the end of the season when Mr Charles compares his new club/company’s Balance Sheet with those of the clubs/companies in the SPL and claims his new club/company are stronger Celtic can add the Asset of trophies – the big cup would surely have high value.
September 12, 2012 at 11:54 am
timverlaine
The snake-oil salesman is tying himself in knots ! What I cant understand is why no one at “The Rangers” has mooted the idea that this would be a golden opportunity to embrace this fresh start and go forward without the toxic baggage carried by Oldco,if anything it’s had the opposite effect,but then I’m not a top businessman like Mr Green,thereagain I’m no gyneacoligist either but i know a **** when I see one Charlie !
September 12, 2012 at 11:53 am
robertg
Unfortunately it is a large consignment of the baggage that is paying the bills (well, some of them maybe) in the form of the horde buying season tickets. If there is a:
“We’re not Rangers, Oldco Rangers
don’t dislike us,
we now care”
approach then the mob might as well be off supporting some other lot, so they’ll continue to try to peddle the myth that they are somehow the walking corpse of 1872 – 2012 (RIP) Co.
September 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Liquidator67
Phil, what do you think of the idea of a joint statement signed by as many supporters organisations from as many clubs in Scotland as possible being issued to tackle this issue and the complicity of the MSM in the scam head on?
This would be a powerful message to send out and would deal with all the arguments from the hun hordes that nothing has changed(except the debt disappearing) in one fell swoop. It could also lead to fan cooperation in other areas.
I’m sure some of the creditors would also welcome it!
September 12, 2012 at 11:53 am
RhobinHood
There are none so … Who will not… Hear,see believe. The answer…blowing in the wind?
September 12, 2012 at 11:48 am
bmcuwp
Your last line is a cracker,Phil-as is the rest of the article-but let’s be honest.
They will NOT crawl under their stones,no matter what.
Even with no team masquerading as Rangers behind which they could throw their support,the horrendous bigotry wouldn’t go away.
It may diminish over time-though there would be a spike,initially-but it is ingrained in them.
It’s not just part of their culture.
It IS their culture.
Sadly…..
September 12, 2012 at 11:46 am
Castaway
For the first time ever in a book, I read Foreword and Introduction. Both excellent reading. Well done AT. Got to P80, very good for me. Fairly moves along, and it’s a case of move along loads to see here. It’s unputdownable. Can’t get back to it until this evening unfortunately.
Proof reading so far:
P20 (i) tax “polices” (policies), (ii)thought what they were doing was “illegal” (legal)
P 35 “Hthis”
I’m available if selected to proof read volume 2.
September 12, 2012 at 11:46 am
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Thanks
Your observations have been passed onto the editorial team.
I’m sure they’ll be able to rectify those at some point.
September 12, 2012 at 12:36 pm
iain
Any thoughts on the news UEFA are paying Rangers money for the use of their players over the summer?
I know you put great faith in their thoughts on Rangers.
As for Mitchel “nailing it”…
Claim 1 “they weren’t ejected….they were expelled”
Who could argue with such nailed on logic?
September 12, 2012 at 11:29 am
Paul J
Hi Phil, good article. I simply do not understand what is so complex about this issue. it is clear to most normal, right thinking people but the media have painted a confused picture and have played into the hands of those who claim “the titles were bought”. Charles Green is prooving to be the boris johnson of scottish football with a seemly endless number of intellectual gaffs which we all see but his supporters all seem to think are deliberate and in the interests of their club. Yesterday iwas flicking through ther Rangers Rumours website (i need light relief) and came across one of the most ridiculus things i had read but oddly heard it on the day Rangers had drawn with Berwick rangers (i was on holiday in turkey and was frankly looking for a rangers supporter to goad). Apparently the reason that rangers are not winning the 3rd division with their SPL squad is because they have not adjusted to third division football and “they play the ball on the ground all the time and would give most SPL teams a run for their money”. with logical “arguement” like this it may be pointless attempting to educate certain sections of our community about the ownership etc of the club known as Rangers(the)(2012).
September 12, 2012 at 11:26 am
Paul Brady
The long winded reply to the Herald article from Mr Grant in Englanshire should be saved as an exemplar of the art of bluster intended to confuse and deflect. I’m not signed up to the Herald website but surely some one will answer his question about why there is an issue with the late RFC’s application of the EBT scheme. The two words “secondary contracts” seem to have escaped his attention.
September 12, 2012 at 11:25 am
scottsman78
Maybe when BDO do their report they will be able to itemise the £5.5m worth of assets Green’s consortium bought?
i.e: £2m for Ibrox
£2m for a training ground
£1m for intellectual property
£500k for the non-tangible history and titles.
The £5.5m deal is starting to look worse from a creditors point of view with every statement Greenie boy makes!
September 12, 2012 at 11:24 am
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Your figures are wrong
September 12, 2012 at 12:33 pm
RetroScot
Great stuff Phil.
Sorry if this link has been posted before, but here’s multiple “historic timeline is broken” quotes in the press:
http://www.itsanewclub.blogspot.co.uk
Thanks.
September 12, 2012 at 11:19 am
Jinxy
Do they know they’re dead???
September 12, 2012 at 11:18 am
TB Legend
The sad thing is Phil, after all that has happened the MSM have fallen back into their printing verbatim of any propaganda spouted from The New Rangers and there entourage of zombies from the oldco. Its all covered but never questioned (apart from the odd piece like the one in The Herald).
Even more worrying is the SFA seem to be turning a deaf ear and blind eye to them. That includes the singing again.
Newco, but same old, same old unfortunately.
September 12, 2012 at 11:12 am
SamBrowneBelt
Hilarious! Keep ‘em coming! LOL
September 12, 2012 at 6:10 pm
tallybhoy
Yes – most amusing!
Keep saying it often enough and you might actually believe it! Oh you do already?! Hahahaha!!!!!
Oh – and who are this corporate ‘entry (?!) you speak of?
HH!!
September 12, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Ben mcginlay
Not you again. Open your eyes and ears and think for yourself and don’t lap up the spin. The truth is going to come out matey. Lol……
September 12, 2012 at 8:37 pm
P J Fox
aw bless! poor wee soul lol
September 13, 2012 at 1:03 am
P J Fox
the truth will set you free. go on, feel it lol
September 13, 2012 at 12:59 am
Del
Mason walkaway, Celtic paid their tax on the ebt and informed the SFA because they looked into it and seen it was dodgy. So did that old club who were known as rangers dignity indeed.
September 13, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Ben mcginlay
Well put Del…..stop digging walker……
September 13, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Brendan
Whataboutery of the most laughable, incredible, fact-light kind Mr Mason, jog on
September 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm
jimthetim
There is one huge difference between the ONE EBT that Celtic used and the numerous EBT’s used by the now defunct rangers. Celtic paid the tax due on the £750k payment made to Juninho after taking the appropriate advice. The dead rangers paid none.
Paying tax is not discretionary you know, its just a pity that your old lot didn’t try it once in a while eh?
If the oldco are found to have cheated, wether it be undisclosed payments, dual contracts etc, then the appropriate action must be taken and titles should be stripped.
September 14, 2012 at 9:50 am