Maintaining good internal communications is a constant challenge for big organisations and the BBC is no different.
I noted that the guys in the news desk are rather off message.
“After HMRC rejected proposals for a creditors agreement that would have allowed the old club to continue, Duff and Phelps negotiated a sale of assets to a consortium led by Charles Green for £5.5m.
He has since formed a new club which is playing in the Scottish Football League Third Division.”
One more time:
“He has since formed a new club which is playing in the Scottish Football League Third Division.”
Clearly the agreed fiction of the Scottish sports desks that liquidation is no big deal and that Rangers continue now and forever has not been transmitted to the news guys.
FIFA is quite clear that liquidation is the end of a football club and that any rebirth after that is a new club.
Duff and Phelps’ final report will not be the final word on the life and death of that disgraceful football club.
There is more shame yet to be heaped on them and deservedly so.
The story of Rangers’ downfall is about what the club did, what the media did not do and what the SFA and SPL tried to do after the fact.
The man at the very top of Scottish football, SFA President Campbell Ogilvie is compromised and fatally damaged by this scandal.
His explanations ring hollow,he should go and go now.
In the meantime, if I was in the presence of a Sevco supporter who still wanted to strut his uber Ibrox British patriotism and undying love of Queen and country then I imagine that the following words would leap to the front of my mind:
“Ninety four million, four hundred and twenty six thousand, two hundred and seventeen pounds and twenty two pence!”
Not very loyal, is it?
k
Hi Phil, its a bit busy round these parts these days, any chance i can post this???
October 9, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Arthur Mulholland
Phil, keep up the good work, your book says it all ! HH
October 9, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Cooper54
Al the Tim , well played lad ….aye that was a tad sore , but the road to glory is never always gonna be smooth ….Celtic gotta real hiding off Falkirk just after the late great Jock Stein took over ..so beware Super Ally !
October 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Althetim
Well then Clouseau, if Ally McCoist develops into half the manager Jock Stein was, he will indeed achieve greatness and the new team will have many successful years ahead. I remain sceptical but I doubt that surprises you.
October 9, 2012 at 2:56 pm
SamBrowneBelt
MoT, given that you’re normally so keen to answer points, I’m surprised you haven’t been able to find a reply for Stu, to his post on 3 Oct. Strange; he was just asking you for the Rule under which UEFA had punished Old Rangers.
October 8, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Cooper54
Mick….ive only ever talked about the football on here ! Im absolutely 100% total and utterly only interested in the fitba , i was merely responding to someone who bizzarely brought the plight of catholics in Scotland into a fitba matter !
October 8, 2012 at 5:34 pm
PaulMc
I do see where you’re coming from. Al mistook your references to bitterness and hatred as pertaining to something other than football. I think hatred is too strong a term to apply to a football team, I had a strong dislike for Rangers. What I really can’t abide is the attitudes of some fans of RFC and now The Rangers towards people of Irish Catholic descent.
I agree with Mick, the good guys of The Rangers support are allowing themselves to be drowned out by people eaten up by hatred and ignorance.
October 9, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Althetim
Cooper
Sevco fans bleating about “hatred and bitterness”. That is TRULY bizzare. Are you familiar with the dead clubs songbook? If some of the “banter” hadn’t been outlawed, we’d still be suffering the vile racist and sectarian chants heard so loudly at the 2011 league cup final, for example.
There is no “plight of Catholics in Scotland” – where did you get that?
Your kid being spat on at 3 years old for wearing a green jacket is character building, it’s not a plight, which would infer a helpless situation. We rise above it.
Anyway, can we move on and keep to the football, as you clearly wish?
For the third time, what’s your take on T’Rangers defeat on Saturday?
October 9, 2012 at 12:54 pm
hang 'em high
you sevco fans visiting this site ,you really must behave like adults,your team cheated and they must PAY THE PRICE,after all it the only way to go ,for too long now the M S M have been protecting you and your kind,famine song ,a disgrace ,the sash ,a disgrace,billy boys, a disgrace, really why don’t grow up and take your punishment, the tainted titles must be stripped,NOW and the other trophies must be stripped as well now ,nuff said
October 8, 2012 at 3:37 pm
jimCB
I’m not surprised by Desmond’s comments. He’s Irish after all and obviously a business man first. Those of us who grew up in Scotland and the Glasgow/Lanarkshire backwoods have had first hand experience of sectarianism at its worst.I left Scotland to study in London in the seventies and shared a flat with a true blue Larkhall born Rangers man and a guy from Cork called McDermot. Imagine my surprise when mcDermot announced that he was a Rangers fan. Michael I told him ‘Thats not possible dont you know that Rangers have a policy of not employing catholics? ‘ Sure I didny know that I just wanted to be different as all the other guys I knew follow Celtic’Of course Michael was like myself a non practising catholic. You really have to come from Glasgow to understand this madness.Understand is the wrong word but anyway. Charlie hasnt a clue although he probably thinks he does and Dermot has his portfolio to attend to and its a good job too. Having a football club as a plaything has become very trendy and Mr Desmond has kept the ship afloat since Fergus.There are possible financial advantages who knows? The new club in the third division are providing tremendous entertainment. They are doing it to themselves. Long may it continue.
October 8, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Mick
Ok, now we’re in the realms of whitabootery. This is not an argument, it is an excuse. You do it; why shouldn’t we? We should all, without exception be above this by now. We don’t like your team and you don’t like ours; so what? Religious bigotry is a disgrace in the same way that homophobia, islamophobia and so on is a disgrace. There is though one big difference between the two sets of supporters, dignity. I have seen Celtic fans shouting down the ‘stairway 13 “song”‘, a disgrace of a ditty, self- policed to ensure its eradication. Likewise, “Rudi Skacel is an effing refugee”, shouted down by Celtic fans. There are many decent Rangers fans, but from my perspective, the good guys in Ibrox have lost. The famine song is belted out by 40k with impunity. One in three was ‘one of your’s’. Think about that next time you disrespect the death of one million people and believe that the ‘tottie famine’ accounted for Taigs only. Trevelyan’s corn mean anything to you?
October 8, 2012 at 4:02 am
Cooper54
AltheTim…..you clearly asked my “position” on religion/sectarianism ! I think ive more than made that clear so for you to suggest i keep up is really quite funny , your a regular einstein eh ..lol
October 8, 2012 at 3:16 am
Althetim
Coo per
Congralutions on decoding my online nom de plume, you’re a regular Clouseau right enough. My cover’s blown!
Anyway, I thought you wanted to concentrate on discussing the football.
What’s your take on T’Rangers defeat on Saturday? Are you glad it won’t be added as a blot to the “illustrious” history of the defunct, soon to be extinct Rangers FC?
There you go, we’re back on topic.
October 8, 2012 at 4:12 pm
graeme
Del – Mr Lennon hurled sectarian abuse at Rangers technical area. He is now manager of your club!
October 7, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Dal
Graeme
You’re desperate. Ibrox is a racist institution. We’re talking about unrelenting hate, that’s on a par with the deep south. How about accepting that and trying to change it?
October 8, 2012 at 10:47 pm
hang 'em high
blooper 49 your are a disgrace ,
October 7, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Dal
Media attention has rightly been centred on John Terry lately. Andy Goram was another nasty racist on the field. By his own admission, he yelled obscene racist and sectarian remarks towards Pierre van Hooijdonk. It was never challenged by a backward Scottish media. Instead, this character gets regular coverage on various rags. Only here.
October 7, 2012 at 11:08 am
Cooper54
Al the Tim ….but as u insist and im feeling still a tad drunk after a great night out with my good fenian friends , ill indulge with my feelings on religion ….its a loada outdated bollocks ! My Gran hailed from the Catholic side of Belfast and my Old Grandaddy from the Partick Thistle side of Glasgow ! They both detested sectarianism and i believe them always …so im sorry i dont fit into your wee stereo typed idea of a Rangers ..supporter , playin his flute or bangin his drum if he can pick his monkey hun knuckles of the floor , so lets just talk about the fitba , if thats ok with you ?
October 7, 2012 at 10:12 am
Althetim
Cooper
I didn’t ask you about your feelings towards religion but thank you for your insightful input. Please read my post again and try to keep up. On second thoughts, don’t bother.
I’m happy to talk about the football.
How’d T’Rangers FC get on yesterday?
October 7, 2012 at 11:46 am
Cooper54
Al the grim dim tim ….it was YOU who brought religion into this football debate , and its you who is continuing to bring religion into this football debate ….why ?
October 7, 2012 at 9:18 am
Althetim
I provided an example of a situation where hatred and bitterness exists. Nothing more.
October 7, 2012 at 11:58 am
jamsiebhoy
Havent been able to read the book as yet phil but will be in the next week. Can i ask this point or two.Why did duff n phelps,not force the sale of market value players mcgregor davies etc when they first came in, to accumulate funds to strengthen the hand for a cva to be accepted to the creditors,was it the plan all along by mr murray to get a scapegoat mr whyte to take the flack whilst all along knowing that liquidation suited all involved.As i remember the usa guy being told to go home because he dared mention that he would have to set up a new club if the debts couldnt be agreed too? Or am i way off the mark.
October 6, 2012 at 10:22 pm
fulto
See the shares that chuckie green is about to start flogging? Are these shares for the football club or a holding company? I honestly can’t believe that anyone could be so gullible as to put they’re hard earned cash into buying these shares if they are for this magical mystery “holding company” that’s been brought into our lives so suddenly. I remember the days I used to ask someone “what team do u support?” And they would reply”rangers, but not the holding company the fitbaw part of it”
October 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Proud Scot
What price loyalty ?
What about a 1-0 defeat away to the club sitting bottom of the SFL?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Hail hail
October 6, 2012 at 7:37 pm
GranardBhoy
Duff and Phelps might have to stage a sit in at Poundland to secure their 3 million cheque come the twelfth.
October 6, 2012 at 11:53 am
Dal
There are certain sycophants out there who believe Dermot Desmond has a point. He’s getting nostalgic about the most sectarian club in the world, whilst his team are facing the great and good of Europe.
Not easy to forget that DD brought in a chairman, who should be in The Hague for unspeakable acts.
October 6, 2012 at 11:03 am
josie bhoy
After reading your book Phil I will never listen to clyde superscoreboard or radio scotland sports or buy or read any so called scottish papers. Celtic supporters should stop contributing to these so called media outlets.
October 6, 2012 at 9:17 am
Ben mcginlay
Haven’t done so for years mate. There has always been a Hun slant to the whole lot. I have never been paranoid, more vindicated.
October 6, 2012 at 9:05 pm
miscuse miscuse
“dermott desmond,”neil lennon says he is ok ,do you believe him,I know that I don’t, might as well be wearing a bunz top dermott jippo nolan desmond traitor to the celtic fc and the celtic cause makes me sick to think he is actually ranting about rangers/sevco 5088 getting back to the top flight soon definitely time to burn the scarves
October 6, 2012 at 4:30 am
hang 'em high
can’t believe it but it did happen the powers that be threw away their own rule book to accomodate sevco/rangers, and the rest of scottish football said nothing, now D.D.is spouting off about the rangers/sevco,leaves me a very very sad celtic supporter, the Green Brigade will have something to say about D.Ds.TREACHERY at the hearts game mark my words
October 6, 2012 at 4:22 am
Ben mcginlay
No doubt they will, and quite rightly so. I wasn’t overly amused myself.
October 6, 2012 at 9:02 pm
miscuse miscuse
poor blooper 49 & jason stalker,they must be one and the same person, enjoy the purgatorial eh hellish trip to oblivion
October 6, 2012 at 2:43 am
Roy Burns.
If, and this is a big if, by the passage of time and by some fluke of nature Sevco find themselves in European competition, the first football club they are drawn to play against will demand to see proof positive confirmation that the opposition are in deed a legal club and that they are eligable to play in a UEFA tournament. Then they will be escorted to yet another exit door. Just thinkng ahead……………
October 5, 2012 at 10:18 pm
miscuse miscuse
the “WALLACE” my sentiments exactly well said and true, true,
October 5, 2012 at 6:29 pm
hang 'em high
now celtic supporters have good reason to bhoycott kilmarnock at rugby park, send dermot desmond a message that we will not standby and listen to him spouting his tripe about how good a team rangers are.
October 5, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Rob
Will be in Dublin for Thanksgiving ( Nov. 22)_wanted to buy your book whilst I was in Ireland. Any recommendations as to where to get it?
October 5, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Easons
October 5, 2012 at 4:41 pm
gazthechef
The denial amongst Klan members here is pitiful.MOT,Cooper 54,Masonlover,clearly you are nit stupid people,so what I urge you all to do is to go to Waterstones and buy Downfall.read it with an open mind and focus on the facts.also,I suggest you check out other clubs forums and you will see that we’re not the only ones angry at the way Gordon Gekko and friends ran up over £100m of debt.it suits you to dismiss the anger as biggotry and the facts as mere technicalities.like I said,read the book and focus on the facts.dont miss the list of 276 companies owed money by Scotlands shame.no wonder the country is fucked.
October 5, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Ben mcginlay
I agree mate. I think everyone should read Downfall. But I think most want to believe the spin from the MSM and Sevco. Even the BBC and STV are saying the same and continuing with the dreaded Old F##m crap. This is done to subliminally send a message out that nothing really has changed. ‘Ranjurs are just going through a bad phase financially’ I am not looking forward to meeting them in any competition as they will spin the same old shit to try and create some parity. Would love it if they disappeared off the face of the earth and take their following with them. They have proved to all what they are really like.
October 5, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Big Mac
Very disappointed that DD said that Rangers had a “great history “. Very disappointed indeed. You can say nice things about them without saying things that are likely to offend the majority of your support. Is DD unaware that for the vast bulk of that history they practiced an anti-catholic policy? Just how out of touch is he?
It looks like he is only looking at the financial aspect and not, as most Celtic and football fans are, matters of sport, fairness and integrity. Shocking.
October 5, 2012 at 8:06 am
miscuse miscuse
Now now cooper 49 you must remember,square conduct, level steps, and upright intentions at all times ra peepel are watching
October 5, 2012 at 3:25 am
Mick
“Rangers” were granted CONDITIONAL membership of the SFA Mason, MoT and Coop. Care to explain what the conditions of this membership might be and if you can’t, will you accept that this is indeed a shameful bending of the rules of the governing body?
October 5, 2012 at 2:49 am
An Dun
DD should have continued Celtic’s policy of saying nothing publicly about the rangers franchise. Once, however, he was asked the question, he had no option but to answer as he did.
With Barca on the horizon and all going well for our club, the last thing we need is to get drawn into the Charlie Green panto. How dearly Charlie would have loved a war of words with Celtic, and just before a share issue of his club – sorry, I mean his holding company!
October 4, 2012 at 11:43 pm
The Wallace
Sevco were allowed to play in SFL3 without the appropriate accounts, because they were issued with a dispensation of some kind over the licence (I forget the correct terminology, if you look at press reports on the Friday and Saturday before their first SFL3 game you will find it). Being allowed back into Senior football is at the bottom of all the confusion. They should not have been allowed back in because (no matter which way you look at it) they did not have three years clean accounts, even if you swallow the oldco/newco lie, Craig Whyte buggered that up for them. They have been treated more than fairly by Scottish Football, I am of the opinion that they should be grateful they have been treated in such a manner and not sniping at other clubs and fans who want fairness and justice to be important in our National game.
As for titles that were bought through tax fraud, they do not belong to them and I am positive they would be clamouring for justice if the boot was on the other shoe.
The childish arguments are pointless. Even Chuckles Green stated that if they did not win agreement on the CVA the history of the club was gone and he was not the only one of that ilk that echoed these sentiments. Green did not get the CVA accepted ergo Rangers and their history are about to be wound up through the forthcoming LIQUIDATION event.
October 4, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Ben mcginlay
Spot on The Wallace.
October 5, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Lee
Marching on together.
Your denial of the obvious is impressive.Rangers as a club were not bought by sevco, As chris’keep em distracted’ Green bought the assets of the soon to be liquidated club. Then started up scotlands newest club, incorporated may 29th 2012. No CVA, Div 3, No Europe , Liquidation. It really is that simple liquidation is the end. So whilst your club was up for sale for 3 years. Rangers fans sat on their hands and let their club die
October 4, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Marching on Together
Lee
Your denial is very sad. Rangers, the club, plus all the assets, goodwill, IP, trademarks, brand, history, tradition and titles (reducing in number any time soon), were bought by Sevco. As the SPL, the SFA and the SFL accept.
You are arguing that whenever a company which owns a football club sells transfers its assets to another company, then the club has died. Well, if that is your argument, Celtic died long ago. Off you go and sing “Hail Hail the Pacific Shelfites are here….”
And no, I am not a Rangers fan.
October 5, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Proud Scot
MOT perhaps this will enlighten you……
http://itsanewclub.blogspot.co.uk
October 6, 2012 at 8:33 am
PaulMc
@MoT For someone who “is not a Rangers fan” I’ve never seen someone so obviously not a fan of that club use so many of their arguments, and now their insults too. What next, I wonder, will you start adding WATP at the end of your posts?
Do you feel you have to keep your argument pro The Rangers as their situation does bear some resemblance to what Leeds went through? To admit otherwise would force you to accept that the club you now follow is not the same as oldco Leeds?
October 7, 2012 at 12:28 am
Matt'a'bhoy
Read your book Phil, great read.
October 4, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Guillermo
Lads, lads, lads, could we restore some order here for a moment? Mr Charles Green is about to speak on the subject.
The mic is yours sir.
“If this CVA is not accepted, Rangers are gone, history, everything, gone.”
K’nell Chas bhoy, you’ve dropped a right bollock there!
October 4, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Stevie Reid
Marching on to nowhere. I think that you will find that the SFA and SFL have made up a new ruling and broken their own rules to accomodate a new club without any past accountable records. Ye are farting against thunder fella, all wind and bluster. You don’t even know the full ins and outs about the team you claim to support from down south. You seem to be making arguments up as you go along. My partner in business is from leeds, still lives there and follows leeds. Reckons you are howling at the wind..” Stick to the road lad, keep off the moors.” I reckon, you are mooring on the wrong side of the true story !
October 4, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Marching on Together
Stevie Reid
So I don’t know the ins and out of the team I support eh? Specific examples please, so I can rip you to shreds, or are you just going to rely on general bluster and waffle.to hid the fact that you have no argument. Try suggesting to your partner that the team he supports died in 2007, and you will see what sort of response you get.
The SFA, SPL and SFL applied their own rules in admitting Rangers to the SFL, and it is only a small minority who can’t accept that.
Away any
October 5, 2012 at 11:04 am
iain mcg
Is it not very significant that DD elected to go on record at all at this time? He is notoriously reclusive (at best) or dismissive (at worst) with the MSM.
What could he be up too? Lol.
October 4, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Cooper54
Al the dim tim …. hatred and bitterness towards a football club is very different from hatred and bitterness towards a religous denomination …i know that at least ! And why bring religion into it anyway ? Did you feel you where losing yer silly we argument and so brought up religion to somehow redeem yourself ?
October 4, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Ben mcginlay
Oh dear, be honest with yourself coop. I have an unhealthy hatred for people like yourself who claim to be fair minded, but in reality you despise us for our our Irish/Celtic connection. I will not lie down to anyone. Especially your kind. No chance.
October 5, 2012 at 7:45 am
Althetim
cooper54/53/52/50/49…..??
“hatred and bitterness towards a football club is very different to hatred and bitterness towards a religious denomination”, you say.
To clarify, do you accept one and reject the other? If so, please elaborate. Do you reject both? If so, are you filled with the warmth of human kindness directed towards Celtic FC and it’s fans, being as how you are upset by “bitterness and hatred” towards Sevco….sorry T’Rangers and it’s illustrious but now deceased predecessor, Rangers FC PLC? Were you at the 2011 league cup final, by any chance?
I’m not arguing with you by the way, that would be unfair as you’re not armed for the contest. I’m merely trying to establish your position.
October 6, 2012 at 8:18 pm
James O'Connell
spot on peter, comprende coop ?…now lie doon , yir deed !
October 4, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Cooper54
Its all about The Rangers as usual i see ! Celtic have just won away from home , and well done to them too , but yer all still gassin about The Rangers ….even Dermot Desmond too ! lol
October 4, 2012 at 10:33 am
Ben mcginlay
Poor wee Sevconian. You really are scraping the barrel. I’m still disappointed I am qualifying your drivel with an answer….
October 4, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Ben mcginlay
LOL…….
October 4, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Dal
Cooper 54
Sevco are so disliked in Scotland, England and most importantly in Europe. We’re still waiting for you to answer why.
How can one fraternity be so consumed by hatred and ignorance? People who make Nazi salutes and discriminate for over a century…invariably go downwards. Get some help.
October 4, 2012 at 11:20 pm
PaulMc
Keep repeating your wee mantra of “it’s all about The Rangers” as much as you like, it won’t make it true. People have had to keep an eye on things so that dodgy deals didn’t take place.
I, like every Celtic fan I know, devote most of my time watching sports to my team, I did on Tuesday. When I’m not watching them I watch other matches. When I have a spare 30 minutes or so I do a quick check and post some comments.
Perhaps what you really mean is that you WANT it to be all about The Rangers? The thought of your team not being centre of attention just eats you guys up. Don’t worry the copy & paste mob in the newspapers are far too afraid of losing more readers to stop printing fairy stories about FC. Tribute Act. Sadly they just can’t figure out a happy ending.
October 4, 2012 at 11:40 pm
SamBrowneBelt
Cooper Fifty-Bore, there you are, complaining about Sevco being discussed on this forum … and I wonder … why do you visit this forum?
Is it because you want to really find out, from Phil, what’s going on at your new club? Or why your old club died?
You can call yourselves anything you like: Rangers, The Rangers, The The Rangers, Sevco, Newco, Bronco, Tesco, Fiasco – it doesn’t matter, because deep down, you and others like you know that your mighty Rangers DIED, of self-inflicted wounds, and of shame and embarrassment, chased out of town by Hector, and owing Her Majesty £94m – what loyal subjects you are!
Now, away and get prepared for your big game this weekend against the team who are currently bottom of Div 3 – could be a big turning point in your season if you manage an away win.
October 5, 2012 at 1:27 am
thomo
Can anyone advise me please.
Can Lord Hodge reverse any decision/deal D&P have made regarding The Rangers 2012 PLC if he decides they’ve had a conflict of interest regarding said club.
Getting to the point,can he reverse the sale of assets to CG,these where sold for roughly 1/20th of the valuation recorded in the 2012 accounts
October 4, 2012 at 10:24 am
Peter
@MOT – You are correct – no-one would care if a parent company went into liquidation.
But that’s why we are all talking about it – because a parent company isn’t about to be liquidated – the club itself is.
When David Murray owned Rangers, had Murray International Holdings gone into liquidation and the club was sold as a going concern, then this would fit into your way of thinking.
When Craig Whyte owned Rangers, had Wavetower gone into liquidation and the club was sold as a going concern, then this would fit into your way of thinking.
But when the club itself is heading for liquidation then you can’t just point the debt in one direction and then turn round and face the other way – although credit to you – you are trying your best.
No parent company is being liquidated – Rangers Football Club* is about to be liquidated.
Talking about parent companies being liquidated is only a lie used in order to shaft every creditor, ditch £100m+ of debt and carry on as if nothing happened and that my friend is the bottom line.
You want to be the same club – pay your debts (too late now anyway)
You don’t want to pay your debts (obviously not) then it’s goodnight Rangers 1872-2012.
There is no agenda to what I just said there – it’s a common rule we all have to abide by. We all have to pay our way. So do you.
October 4, 2012 at 9:55 am
Marching on Together
So you are making up the rules to suit you, and flying in the face of what the SPL, the SFA, the SFL, the law of the land, Lord Nimmo Smith’s Commisison, and past experience and tradition of football in the UK say.
BTW, I am not a Rangers fan, so this is not my club, and I believe that Rangers oldco should have paid its debts, and that if the dual contracts allegations are proven, that they should be stripped of all the honours they won by cheating. However, I also believe that the rules and practice of football should apply to Rangers in the same way as every other club, and not be distorted to suit the death lust of Celtic fans.
October 4, 2012 at 12:45 pm
SamBrowneBelt
MasonWalker, if they’re not dead, why are they in Div 3? They weren’t relegated; they were liquidated. A new club was then allowed in to Div 3.
Why can’t you play in any UEFA competitions? You’re not banned; you’re a new club.
It’s not difficult to understand; you’re just embarrassing yourself (although, admittedly, quite funny).
October 5, 2012 at 1:49 am
Marching on Together
SamBrowneBelt
Except new clubs are not allowed into Div 3 of the SFL without three years accounts. So that makes Rangers an existing club according to SFL and SFA rules.
October 5, 2012 at 9:59 pm
SamBrowneBelt
MoT – you’ve just demonstrated how poor your grasp of the situation is.
October 6, 2012 at 1:55 am
Marching on Together
SamBrowneBelt
As an example of having a poor grasp of the situation, you have consistently demonstrated over many weeks that you are without peer, and on this site, that is saying something.
Still want to make up rules to apply only to Rangers?
October 6, 2012 at 11:51 am
SamBrowneBelt
MoT, knowing the value of your comments to date, I’m delighted at your latest offering; I’ll start getting worried when you see the true value of mine – I won’t hold my breath.
October 8, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Mick
Jinky,
Bigotry, really, where?
A difference of opinions being discussed in a more or less adult fashion.
Are you Charles Green?,
October 4, 2012 at 7:58 am
Cooper54
AltheTim…..deflect and deny all you want , change the subject from the Rangers to the plight of the poor victimised oppressed catholics …how predictable ! And then name calling ….how childish , lol
October 4, 2012 at 5:16 am
Althetim
Cooper54
I was responding to your comment concerning hatred and bitterness. You raised the subject, I didn’t change it.
Rangers hard core support is the most hate filled perma-raging collection of narrow minded bigots in this country and to “listen” to you bemoaning “hatred and bitterness” concerning comments about your dead club is comical.
You know nothing.
October 4, 2012 at 11:08 am
Lee
Marching on Together,
I think the biggest clue to your club/company denial is the word INCORPORATION maybe you could enlighten us to its meaning, Then tie that in with the date of INCORPARATION of rfc 1872 and then newly INCORPORATED club of May 2012 try companies house. Hope this helps
October 4, 2012 at 3:29 am
Marching on Together
Lee
Incorporation has no relevance to the issue. The fact is that Rangers as a a club were bought by Sevco, with history, honours, goodwill, etc all intact (even if the honours will not be intact for much longer).
October 4, 2012 at 12:40 pm
James O'Connell
eh! we are the same as leeds and erm middlesboro ! naw weve no debt , aye we’ve huners a trophys our history remains intact !ffs smoke and mirrors again ! what a pityful lot indeed, If the history remains and I dont give a flying puck if it does or doses not but if it does…in a huner years time people will be reading all of it , i hope your history sticks to you like the sheite it is !……now lie doon , yer deed !
October 4, 2012 at 12:52 am
hang 'em high
sevco fans who’s that comin’ o’er the hill is it the TAXMAN no it’s yer uncle desmond ‘n’ he’s gonnae bail the B_NZ oot, get a grip desmond yer makin’enemies wi’ statements nice aboot sevco,REALLY
October 4, 2012 at 12:23 am
Stuart kennedy
Hey phil. Am at media section on the book. Loving it, though doubt many hacks, including Keith Jackson will be inviting u to any their weans weddings or holiday homes in guernsey lol
October 3, 2012 at 11:16 pm
jinky
Never read so many hate-filled posts on a website, the bigotry which is supposed to offend you guys on here is well and truly alive and kicking. Sad
October 3, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Rex_Mundi
Maybe someone better tell Demot Desmond that you’ve all decided Rangers are dead, because as far as he seems to be concerned it’s still the same team.
“Rangers is a fantastic club with a great history,” he said. “With the support that they have, they will come back.
October 3, 2012 at 10:02 pm
SamBrowneBelt
He was being diplomatic; in his position, he couldn’t be anything else. What would you expect him to say? Rangers died and we’re all enjoying a jig on their grave? Get real.
October 4, 2012 at 12:32 am
Marching on Together
Perhaps Desmond is an example of a Celtic fan who is not prejudiced and hate-filled towards Rangers. There must be one somewhere.
October 5, 2012 at 11:07 am
SamBrowneBelt
Hate-filled? Maybe.
Prejudiced? No chance. Judged on their racist actions for more than a century, and for their attitudes still; no pre-judging involved, just judging.
A permanent embarrassment, and an occasional disgrace – and that wasn’t written by a Celtic fan, but by an eminent Scottish journalist in the 70s after the Ibrox hordes had left another English city resembling Dresden post-Bomber Command.
MoT – there are reasons why so many feel the way they do about The/Rangers – and they’re all valid.
October 6, 2012 at 2:03 am
Marching on Together
It is irrelevant whether your prejudice and hatred is justified or not (glad you ate least admit to it). You are using it to argue a fate for Rangers that has applied to no other club in the UK before. Rangers fans insist on believing that Rangers are special, different, so why should you want to believe exactly that as well?
October 6, 2012 at 11:54 am
SamBrowneBelt
MoT, once again your grasp of the English language lets you down. If you read my post again, you’ll see I reject the charge of prejudice – I judge, I don’t pre-judge.
We’ve been through the arguments of the Old Rangers’ death, and no need to repeat them again, as you seem incapable of absorbing the logic. That’s fine, no harm in it, we’ll humour you for a while yet.
October 8, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Neil
one last time….
Rangers are DEAD
Hail Hail
October 3, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Cooper54
Even Dermot Desmond was quoted recently saying “Rangers are a fantastic club with a massive support and great history .”
I suppose hes a clown too eh ? lol
October 3, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Neil
just a canny businessman! while I,m at it, one that ensures there are no 2nd contracts, ensures the club are visible to HMRC.
PS….What ever happened to Follow Follow….I would never dream of going on a Rangers site, move along Zombie, nothing to see here
October 4, 2012 at 6:47 am
Peter
I think it only highlights just how desperate people are when they cling to words from people whom they would previously have no affiliation with.
If the Devil came out and said “Rangers are alive” you would have thousands of wee Sevconians all running around jumping for joy because the people who are the easiest to fool are those that want to be fooled and you lot would back anyone if they told you what you wanted to hear.
Whatever Dermot said, I am sure he was just being diplomatic and probably knows that by saying anything else, his interview would be plastered all over the tabloids with a negative twist.
However I could show you some links to Charles Green interviews where he states quite clearly that if a CVA is rejected then everything about Rangers – history and all – will be gone.
I could show you links to where Hately, Goram, Smith, Gough, Naismith etc all have stated that the new Rangers is not the old Rangers and that liquidation means the end.
You want me to post the links? Are you interested? Probably not – because you only want the bits that you like.
So let’s stick to facts – facts that cannot be twisted or altered to suit your agenda or my agenda.
What are those facts?
Fact #1 – Your team is not allowed to play in Europe for 3 years because it has just been formed in May 2012.
Fact #2 – Your team is playing in Division 3 as a result of a new application to join the leagues.
October 4, 2012 at 9:35 am
jonny
Mot
If a rich Arab came along tomorrow and paid off all rangers fc debts of 134m and announced he was building a £80m super stadium ,will you and your fellow marchers stick with old Charlie and his unknown backers or will you march behind rangers fc (IA) after all you keep telling us all CG TRFC is the club you have supported all your life .
If no Arab appears then I assume you and your fellow marchers are all happy digging deep for shares in CG new company in full knowledge you will not be buying into your club (fingers crossed CG doesn’t pull the plug on his new company )or you may be buying new shares every year .
It may become the FOOTIE INDEX instead of the FOOTSIE
October 3, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Marching on Together
Jonny
As your nonsense is predicated on your assumption that I am a Rangers fan, I am sorry to point out that your story falls apart, as I am a Leeds United fan, which club went through in 2007-08 (in the main details) exactly the same as Rangers are going through now. And my club has an unbroken proud history.
If anything in Scotland my sympathies are with Celtic.
October 3, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Cooper54
The old Leeds and Middlesboro where liquidated but assets where transfered ….just like Rangers , so get over it bhoys ! As if its not enough that Rangers are in SFL 3 you lot want more , you want our titles and you want Newco to hit administration too….like i said , bitter people !
October 3, 2012 at 5:31 pm
PaulMc
We’re not bitter. We just dislike cheating, that’s all.
What titles could we get from The Rangers anyway? As a new team they have none. As to Rangers, well if titles are to be stripped then so be it, I’d rather they were declared void than awarded to another team.
October 3, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Peter
@Cooper54
Aren’t you the slightest bit embarrassed that your previous club has racked up over £100m of debt, it will never be paid but you want to carry on as if nothing had happened?
Aren’t you the slightest bit embarrassed that these trophies you want to cling on to with your life were actually won racking up this debt – you want to keep the trophies but ditch the debt?
You want the glory but you don’t want to pay your bills – is that the DNA of the Ibrox Klan? “We don’t do paying our way?”
You seem to think that people want you to “lose” your history – as though anyone has the power to grant or deny you your history – no-one has that power. No-one can give it to you – no-one can take it away.
To find the facts you need to look at it from a different perspective.
You aren’t playing in Europe because you are a new club
You aren’t in the SPL because you are a new club.
New clubs don’t have history.
Rangers’ history will end with liquidation.
October 3, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Marching on Together
Peter
“Rangers history will end with liquidation”
So, as Rangers (neither the club, nor oldco nor newco) are not yet in liquidation, according to you their history is still alive, and therefore Rangers are not dead.
You funeral parlour chappies really need to get your stories straight. When did Rangers actually die?
October 4, 2012 at 1:33 am
thomo
The Rangers football club PLC went into administration,the administrators sold their assets to CG,he started a new club,and they where allowed to start in the SFL as a new club in DIV 3
Is there anything complicated about this?
October 4, 2012 at 9:28 am
Cooper54
Neil…you seem quite fond of copy and pasting so go to Rangers Football Club on wiki and all the history is there …just like Leeds and Middlesboros too ! Leeds changed their name , Middlesboro changed their badge after liquidation in 86 and their grounds doors where even padlocked ! So go and suck on those sweeties Neil….lol
October 3, 2012 at 5:11 pm
jimthetim
So tell me this. If its the same club, and they started life in Div 3 whilst still in administration, why were they not deducted 10 points at the start of the season?
Thought as much. Clown.
October 3, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Marching on Together
jimthetim
Because although the same club, it was a different company which owned the club, as the club and its assets had been sold by its previous owners. Or did you miss all that?
October 3, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Neil
When I was a wee bhoy I used to sit on the chair in our living room with some milk and a biscuit, watching you and “marching on together…think it was called Jackanory!!
You two are the best story tellers since Hans Christian Anderson, go on tell s another one my sides are splitting
LOL haw de haw
October 3, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Marching on Together
Neil
When you are an old man, feeble in body as well as mind, you will be sitting in front of the fire, whining about how in 2012 Rangers died, and bemoaning the fact that only you and the other residents of the StillHating Nursing Home believe that nonsense.
October 4, 2012 at 1:28 am
Neil
Marching on together,
I am an old man!!, surrounded by a fantastic family and we all have one thing in common.
We love Celtic 1888 and dont support other clubs that go about masquerading as another!
October 4, 2012 at 1:26 pm
robertg
Reading the article, I am mulling over whether the final bill for the tax may top £100m. The £94m odd was at a point in time. The interest and potentially penalties will continue to rack up until the final judgement.
Maybe that will be a number to attract the attention of the mainstream press.
Obviously this is a bit of a moot point since Bustco don’t have a pot to piss in and Newclub seem to have no moral imperative regarding any form of contribution, in spite of claiming to be the same institution as that which ran up the debt in the first place.
And we won in Moscow. What can Santa possibly have left in his sack for Christmas?
October 3, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Cooper54
Neil…you seem quite fond of copy and pasting so go to Rangers Football Club on wiki and all the history is there …just like Leeds and Middlesboros too ! Leeds changed their name , Middlesboro changed their badge after liquidation in 86 and their grounds doors where even padlocked ! Now Neil , why dontcha go copy and paste on that sucker ….lol
October 3, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Frankier
Does this mean that if I buy the Woolworths name that my great granny was Barbara Hutton? Mind you, sir minty (I’ll steal and spend a tenner of YOUR money for every fiver of your own money that you spend) moonbeams acted as if he was Barbara Hutton. Let this crazy mob call themselves whatever they like. I for one am glad that they are still using the name that will soon be in the Oxford Dictionary as meaning corruption, thieving, rioting and urinating on monuments to the dead. They are like Luther, keep all the good things and get rid of the bad. Nearly £100million (still) owed in taxes alone and they still sing God save the queen. They didn’t even give enough to her maj’s government to enable them to buy a couple of their beloved “sodgers” a fish supper each and they’ll soon be claiming them as their own when someone reminds them of remembrance day.
Try and work this one out. If sevco is claiming all the tainted trophies does that means that the records will show that oldco won absolutely hee-haw? Two different clubs can’t claim to have won the same identical trophies. How, then, can it be explained that sevco won a world record number of trophies within a fortnight of being in existence and before they even kicked a ball? And will they still claim the ones that will soon be proved to have been won by cheating and corruption? Will their records show that every one of their games over the past ten years at least were, in fact, 3-0 defeats, as per Sion last year? If so, will they be deemed to have been relegated every year for those past ten years? That way, sevco should be playing schools football in Alaska, if at all.
Sevco -
Established on the morning of 12th July 2012 (or thereby).
Managed to claim a world record number of tainted league titles by the time the Angelus bells rang in Dublin at 12.00 noon on same date and about two months before they even kicked a ball.
October 3, 2012 at 4:22 pm
iain mcg
MoT
I cannot let that nonsense go unchecked. The absense of a team called Rangers from European football this season has absolutely nothing to do with punishment for “the transgressions of the former owners of Rangers”. It is because the club currently playing as Rangers do not meet the UEFA requirements for admission to their competitions, i.e. they do not have 3 years history.
That fact should have prevented them from playing in the SFL, as you state. However, unlike UEFA, the Scottish footballing authorities were prepared to break their own rules, all for the sake of one club.
October 3, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Ben mcginlay
Spot on, but they’re not taking it in. Attention for all Sevco guys, MOT, Cooper54, and how could I forget our old friend Masonwalker try rangersaredeid.co.uk Lol
October 3, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Marching on Together
Ben McGinlay
If you want to ignore the rules of the SPL, the SFA and the SFL, and practice and tradition over the years in respect of what constitutes a club, as recently correctly interpreted by Lord Nimmo Smith’s commission, in favour of some rule introduced by corrupt-UEFA, who at this stage have no jurisdiction, and who in any event have accepted that the SFA, the SPL and the SFL’s rules apply in Scotland, then so be it.
Rangers are not dead, except in the eyes of those whose prejudice wish it to be otherwise. And no, I am not a Rangers fan, in Scotland I much prefer Celtic as it happens.
October 3, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Ben mcginlay
Corrupt UEFA. The rules are there, it’s the SFA and SPL that have tried to bend them to suit the Newco. But they are getting it from all quarters for being weak and indecisive, which has caused all the uncertainty.
October 3, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Marching on Together
Ben mcGinlay
The rules are there from the SFA, the SPL and the SFA, and they run football in Scotland, not corrupt-UEFA. Added to that the law of the land, and the custom and practice of football in this country. But oh, no the green-tinted Rangers haters want to tear up all the rules of this country, just to crucify their hated enemies. You could not make it up.
October 4, 2012 at 1:24 am
Cooper54
Attention all Celtic fans …ive stated a few times on here now that Leeds and Middlesboro were both liquidated but retained their proud histories but you just wont accept the same rules apply for Rangers …you all smack of desperation !!!
October 3, 2012 at 12:56 pm
jim
Cooper
You made up the part about Leeds.
In an interview played on Radio Scotland, their current chairman admitted they were a brand new team with none of the past history.
Please stop making things up.
October 3, 2012 at 4:16 pm
delbhoy
Should that not be Cooper 48 or maybe Sevco 0.
October 3, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Ben mcginlay
I think it’s a case of Pot Kettle and Black so called Cooper54….
October 3, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Cooper54
MOT…the difference seems quite clear here .Leeds and Middlesboro simply do not have rivals who are as desperate to see them lose their great histories ….Rangers do !
October 3, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Neil
Actually your wrong!
The peepul who ran Rangers could not have cared one jot about the club.
They saw it’s depts spiralling out of control, due to their greed and never did a dickie to save it.
Even cheated their fellow supporters and yet you blame everyone exept yourself and the past custodians of the club.
Its not just Celtic supporters who have no time for you, but the wider football family, you see, we prefer a level playing field, played with honesty, integrity and respect.
Not cheating fellow professionals to gain upper hand, no cheating the tax payer. Your late Club is damaged goods, always has been, always will be.
Dispicable signing policy which kept you back and the desire to win the big one which eventually killed you.
Just remember that division 3 football is one place above playing crosses with your mates in the park.
Glaschu – Dear Green Place
October 3, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Ben mcginlay
Here here Neil wonderfully put..
October 3, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Richard
Phil, Love the work. Correct me where I go wrong but with regards Sevco being regarded as a new club or as the old club surely the football authorities are to blame here because they let the new club use the old clubs accounts to gain access to the third division. If they were truly a new club they would not be playing football as they do not fulfill the criteria for registration with the SFA. It was this transfer of SFA membership that allows the SPL to investigate and possibly punish the new club for the old clubs alleged cheating. If Sevco had gone the same route as Airdrie for example and bought a club they could have bought a second division club, played in the second division and been totally untouchable for the alleged cheating of the old club. Of course this would mean Sevco have the second divisions clubs history and just rename the club to Rangers or whatever.
October 3, 2012 at 10:42 am
Marching on Together
As I understand it the SPL can punish newco for the sins of oldco, as they agreed by contract with the SPL and SFA as a conditioning of gaining SFA membership to accept such punishments (notwithstanding Green’s tirades to the contrary later). Which is what also happened with other UK clubs in the same situation such as Rotherham Utd and Leeds Utd.
October 3, 2012 at 11:07 am
Althetim
There’s no point in trying to explain the truth to the Sevco fans regarding the impending extinction of Rangers FC (1872 version). They simply refuse to consider it.
Does anyone remember seeing any reference to the “Owning/Operating Company” and “The Club” being seperate entities prior to 14th Feb 2012? I would like to see an example (talking about Rangers here, not Leeds or Middlesbro).
Duff & Phelps final report lists Ibrox as “the football stadium and freehold property of the club” – yet Lord Nimmo Smith, adopting the MSM/Sevco doctrine tells us that “the club” is not a legal entity and is incapable of owning anything. What’s that all about?
Contradictions, lies, propaganda and comedy. The story that just keeps on giving.
October 3, 2012 at 9:49 am
Marching on Together
Does anyone remember seeing any reference to a club whose parent company has gone into administration, sold its club assets to a newco and then gone into liquidation, ceasing to exist in the UK prior to 14th Feb 2012? Or are new rules to be made up to kill a club just because you are all Celtic fans and it is Rangers we are talking about?
October 3, 2012 at 11:03 am
Cooper54
Leeds and Middlesboro both where liquidated but their clubs histories survived ….why are Rangers so different? just because of yer hatred and bitterness ?
October 3, 2012 at 9:25 am
Blogiston
Leeds did not go into liquidation – only administration. They then sold the ground, amongst other measures, and paid some of their debt, and entered into a long-term debt repayment agreement with creditors for the outstanding debt, which has now just completed term. They now have no ground and only rent their ground – the price of honesty, in their favour.
October 3, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Neil
Suck on this Cooper……..Entering Administration
Leeds entered voluntary administration on May 4, 2007, thus incurring a 10-point deduction which confirmed the club’s relegation to League One.[1][2] Administration had been predicted for some time, due to crippling debts created during Peter Ridsdale’s chairmanship. For his part, Ridsdale denied any of the current situation was his fault,[3] only days after having admitted it was a mistake to allow the then-manager David O’Leary to spend so lavishly on players.[4] Ken Bates, however, blamed Leeds’ financial situation firmly on Ridsdale and his board.[5][6]
[edit] Bates is Back
KPMG Restructuring were appointed as administrators of Leeds United and, within minutes of entering administration, the club was sold to Leeds United Football Club Limited.[7] Had the club not voluntarily entered administration, they would have been “forced into liquidation” on June 25, 2007 by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, to whom the club owe £6 million.
who,s bitter now
October 3, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Marching on Together
Blogiston
Aye, and Rangers won the European Cup in 1967, and Celtic was bought out of receivership by Fergus McCann so ceased to exist as a club.
The company which owned Leeds United went into administration (same as Rangers), a CVA fell through due to the objections of HMRC (same as Rangers), all the assets which make up the club Leeds United were sold to a newco (same as Rangers), and oldco Leeds went into liquidation in February 2008 (as oldco Rangers iwll no doubt do at some point soon).
Try checking Companies House records before making such wrongful assertions in future.
October 3, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Althetim
MoT
How do you manage to get through the day with your head stuck so far up your own hole? Remove it and see the truth. Leeds fan…..aye, so ye are….
Cooper54
Complaints of hatred and bitterness from a Rangers/Sevco fan??? SERIOUSLY???? Try bringing your weans up Catholic in a west of Scotland village – then you might learn something of hatred and bitterness.
Away and educate yourself you moron.
October 3, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Marching on Together
Althetim
The last refuge of a feeble mind with no argument to put, resorting to abuse. Well done.
October 4, 2012 at 1:20 am
Declan
I unashamedly do not write anything myself for this blog rather reproduce articles which add credence to the fact that rangers cease to be. I started to do this after a link from one of Phils old blogs led me to an article from the BBC web site which I was sure had been changed, so I decided to lift them directly before any changes could be made and post them in there entirety here: http://liqudated2012.blogspot.co.uk
October 3, 2012 at 8:45 am
Proud Scot
It’s changed back again !!!
“He has since formed a new club, now playing in the Scottish Football League Third Division.”
Just read it on this link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-19786824
Curiouser and curiouser……the truth may still be out there
October 3, 2012 at 6:46 am
Bill
Hi Phil,
So Duff and Phelps managed to run oldco at a 4 million loss at the same time as earning 3 to 4 million themselves. If I were a creditor I would add this to the many good reasons not to approve of their “efforts”. No wonder HMRC wanted D and P off the case. The liquidators will soon be entering stage left; I wonder how many actors in this plot will be exiting stage right. Will they walk away, run away, or be taken away ?
October 3, 2012 at 6:09 am
Mick
MoT. The holding company does not fulfill European ties, the club does. Why does Sevco not have a Champions League tie to play? Did you graciously allow someone else to win it for a change?
October 3, 2012 at 2:19 am
Marching on Together
Mick
Rangers were punished (rightly) for the transgressions of the former owners of Rangers, hence they can’t play in Europe. However, proving that they are the same club is the fact that they are playing in the SFL. A brand new club would have needed to wait three years before being admitted.
October 3, 2012 at 11:00 am
Stu
MOT,
That was punishment for the transgressions of the former owners? Really? Would you like to point me in the direction of the UEFA rule that this ‘punishment’ was allocated under?
Because, silly me, I thought it was because The Rangers are a brand new team, and UEFA stipulate that a team must exist for 3 years before it can take part in their competitions. I mean, I feel a bit of a fool now.
Just because the SFA bent their rules right out of shape to accomodate The Rangers (and yet, they still complain about bias against them?!?), don’t assume that this is proof of pre-existence.
October 3, 2012 at 1:03 pm
jamdow67
Love ur work Phil, can always look to here for the truth but ad just love to say on this grand stage that Haha zombies it looks like we are just grand without u with both ability and finance
October 3, 2012 at 1:09 am
Steve
Just had a look on amazon for Downfall. There is the predicted orchestrated attempt by zombie-huns all on the same day (sept 4th – I mean they can’t even hide their ineptitude) to discredit Phil and the truth.
The truth really does hurt.
October 3, 2012 at 1:01 am
Hurricane67
“IF THIS CVA.IS NOT ACCEPTED,RANGERS ARE GONE,HISTORY,EVERYTHING ,GONE”…SEVCO OWNER CHARLES SANNY GREEN.
October 3, 2012 at 12:11 am
andy murray
So much for the rfc fans being loyal, they all jumped ship and left poor old rfc to rot in hell! Just like the previous ones did before when month the junkie johnston signed for them, they jumped ship to support airdrie who funnily enough went bust also!
October 2, 2012 at 10:58 pm
fulto
It is quite laughable how suddenly a “holding company” is suddenly being branded around and the actual football club is still ongoing. Yeah yeah yeah still no shame and no apology and the pr spin coming out from jabba and the rest is just embarrassing.
October 2, 2012 at 10:19 pm
westiebhoy
Mon the Hoops!
October 2, 2012 at 8:31 pm
tamtic
How the hell can a company go into liquidation and survive? They can’t, they’re deid! Hmrc will be looking for dosh and they may well pursue Sir Moonbeams through the courts and players the likes of Barry Ferguson who creamed off millions in the EBT scandal. great result in Moscow, Traynor will be spewing as we speak, c’mon the hoops!!
October 2, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Marching on Together
It is not the club which went into liquidation (or is going to go into liquidation) but the company which owned it. The club however and all its associated assets were sold prior to any liquidation happening.
Prior practice in the UK when this happens is that there is no question that the club survives. Why should Rangers be any different?
October 2, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Ben mcginlay
Marching on you are wrong. Charles green bought the assets in a liquidation sale through the administrators Duff and Phelps, which is under investigation. The truth will come out in the wash. The misreporting and words coming from sources who don’t want to face the truth but know the reality. When the CVA was a no go, the whole club/company’s only avenue was liquidation.
October 2, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Marching on Together
Ben McGinlay
If this was a “liquidation sale” as you claim, please tell me on what date the company that formerly owned Rangers went into liquidation?
When the CVA was a no go, what happened was that the assets of the club i.e. the club, were sold to a new company. Liquidation of the old company when it happens is irrelevant.
October 2, 2012 at 11:09 pm
rabthecab
Oh dear MoT, you still on that fiction? A club has “no legal personality” ergo it dies with the company it belonged to. You’ll get the idea some day (maybe!)
October 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm
SamBrowneBelt
Ben McGinlay, there’s no point in banging your head against the brick wall that is MoT – he is immune to logic and truth. To be fair to him, though, he knows far more than he understands.
October 3, 2012 at 12:25 am
Marching on Together
rabthecab
Oh, dear. Are you still on the fiction that Rangers died? That has never happened with any other club in the UK to which administration, sale of assets to newco, liquidation happened, so why should Rangers be any different?
October 3, 2012 at 10:57 am
Ben mcginlay
Well done the Hoops. Proud of ye.
October 2, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Colin Taylor
Doesn’t matter that the BBC have changed their piece to say, “He has since formed a new company which runs Rangers”.
They still have, “would have allowed the old club to continue” further up.
Bring on the subs.
October 2, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Just pay your taxes.
And the Ambulance service.
And the Newsagents.
And the …
There is an Appendix at the end of “Downfall” of the list of creditors of the dead club.
It runs to EIGHT pages.
Stay classy…
October 2, 2012 at 5:51 pm
hokeypokey
North lanarkshire council are consulting council tax payers on which services they think they can do without; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-19762430
They need to make savings of around £73million.
Last time I was in the Kilsyth area, the Bears were strutting their stuff in the way that “the peepil” tend to do in
“the greatest wee country in the world”.
Surely such a staunchly loyalist community should be pressurising the new Fuhrer at the Big Hoose to do the right thing and cough up the £94million, preventing devastating cuts to vital services for the elderly and learning disabled.
No?
Well, he has to finally concede that RFC is gone forever and that Zombie F.C. have no badge, no cups and no history.
Actions speak louder than words, Mr. Green!
October 2, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Stu
Colin, I think what’s more worrying is that they appear to frigged their auditing system as well. I posted about this last night on a previous blog of Phil’s, and it was still up then. It’s now changed and yet the page still says ‘Last updated 1st October 12:28pm’ – that’s breathtaking revision!
October 2, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Stu
….and now the date and time have magically updated!!!!!
Is the guy that wrote the page using this blog to proof read his work?!?!?
October 3, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Ben mcginlay
‘The story of Rangers Downfall is about what the club did, what the media did not do and what the SFA and SPL tried to do after the fact.’ To me that is it in a nutshell. What saddens me is the repetition of the clubs continuation, and talk of Old F##m. They are all guilty of double standards…there is certainly not any amount of Dignity from any of them.
October 2, 2012 at 4:55 pm
john
Its hard not to chortle when the masses parrot the marketing campaign coming out of Ibrox about continuation. I am sure they will continue with the tradtions that have seen them being the blight of Glasgow, Scotland, Manchester, Spain and other citiies and countries unlucky to draw them in a competition they cheated to enter and exited pretty quickly leaving behind destruction unbeknown to any out of war time.
When the wrecking ball of realisiation hits I am sure Messr Green and his companions will well down the m62 somewhere plotting the next fiasco whilst the embers of der reichstag still smoke.
So when Celtic FC march out tonight to compete in the UCL in reasonable financial condition thanks to a prudent board and a very good manager. We can cut a swift glance at the que at Ibrox for the cup tickets for Alloa..and with a collective grin say GIRUY.
October 2, 2012 at 4:41 pm
BillyTim
Looks like they’er back on message Phil, as this copy (pasted 16:35) suggests the word ‘club has been replaced by ‘company’which is apparently ‘running Rangers’.
“He has since formed a new company which runs Rangers, now playing in the Scottish Football League Third Division”.
The laptop loyal has again policed transgressors. Depressing.
October 2, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Yeah-I see that the original truth has been amended to stay on message.
October 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Peter
Well I don’t know if we’re talking about the same article here – but the one I am reading says:
“He has since formed a new club, now playing in the Scottish Football League Third Division.”
Have they changed it back ???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-19786824
October 2, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Marching on Together
What FIFA thinks about football will be worth paying attention to after they have rooted out corruption in their own ranks. In the meantime one of our Senators of the College of Justice and two of our most eminent QCs have interpreted the rules of football as applied in Scotland to mean that Rangers are a continuing club.
October 2, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain
Lord Nimmo Smith merely applied the rather wooly rules of the SPL.
FIFA’s laws trump them-just as the High Court overrules a Sheriff Court.
October 2, 2012 at 4:26 pm
hang 'em high
the stench of rangers/sevco disgraceful situation is there for all to see and smell, campbell ogilvy GO NOW
October 2, 2012 at 4:17 pm
tom dolan
Sorry for being a wee bit ignorant,but who? how? do hmrc go too now for recompense?i am a wee bit lost here.
October 2, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Brian
Phil, can’t help but think the reason the Ibrox Klan are so good at keeping (most of) the media ‘on-message’ isn’t just because Media House shout at them and threaten them.. surely there’s a wee bit more of an incentive than that? I’m thinking that £141k to a PR firm for a few months is an awful lot? Do you reckon any of that finds its way to the troughs that the Laptop Loyal have their snouts in..if you catch my drift?
October 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Neil
deed, dead, finito, dodo, kaput, extinct!
October 2, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Ben mcginlay
Oh FFS. Desperation Central…..
October 3, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Ben mcginlay
He doesn’t know what he is talking about. I don’t even think he likes football. And that is what it’s all about, FOOTBALL !!!!! It’s the fans and integrity that is priority in the game, not some out of touch millionaire businessmen, and you will have had your fair share of them.
October 4, 2012 at 7:39 am